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Old 12-11-2012, 07:24 PM   #21
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Satisfaction is all that matters and I totally agree.

Fender and Gibson both have overpriced guitars, although I prefer Fender to Gibson.

Again, different strokes for different folks. I prefer Jackson Rhoads style Vs to Gibson Vs, and Charvel Strats/Superstrats to Fender.
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Old 12-11-2012, 07:25 PM   #22
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I wouldn't even call Gibson and Fender overpriced.
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Old 12-11-2012, 07:34 PM   #23
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30 grand for a guitar is a little overpriced in my opinion. (Gibson)

There are some guitars with enormous price tags that can't justify it.
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Old 12-11-2012, 07:51 PM   #24
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30 grand for a guitar is a little overpriced in my opinion. (Gibson)

There are some guitars with enormous price tags that can't justify it.



Because they all cost $30k... Gibson also have some of the best value guitars on the market.
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Old 12-11-2012, 07:58 PM   #25
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Same reason ESP can make EC guitars and why there's a million companies making Strat-like guitars without being sued by Fender. If you change the design enough, it can be considered a whole new thing.


Actually, Fender did sue a number of companies for producing SLOs (Strat-Like Objects). The court recently ruled against them, saying that the Strat body design wasn't sufficiently distinctive to warrant a copyright.

As for the Dean / Gibson headstock question, Gibson offered the "V" headstock for only a short period of time, and they've argued in other lawsuits that the "moustache" headstock is the headstock trademark for whcih the company is famous, so they couldn't win a lawsuit against Dean. But you are absolutely right: if a company allows one other manufacturer to copy and sell their design without challenge, then they have all but lost any chance to protect that particular design.
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Old 12-11-2012, 11:16 PM   #26
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Because they all cost $30k... Gibson also have some of the best value guitars on the market.


I didn't say that, nor did I mean for it to come off that way.

They do have some pretty great value guitars. But again, they do have guitars that are really overpriced.
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Old 12-12-2012, 01:08 AM   #27
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A product is worth whatever someone is willing to pay. I don't even really care for Gibsons, but that's besides the point. Fact is they sell at the prices you call overpriced.
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Old 12-12-2012, 02:01 AM   #28
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The 30k guitars are for rich hardcore collectors who have the money to spend on a guitar and handwired amp combo thats going to get played every year once. On Christmas. Or New years. Or even never.

Ive played a lot of gibsons. And the more expensive ones do often times feel more solid than the cheap ones. But compare a studio to just about any guitar in the price range. Yea, you dont get the fancy binding. You dont get the fancy coil taps all the time. But what you do get is a workhorse of a guitar thats going to last you a lifetime and will sound great for years to come.
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Old 12-12-2012, 02:58 AM   #29
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I didn't say that, nor did I mean for it to come off that way.

They do have some pretty great value guitars. But again, they do have guitars that I can't afford or justify buying and therefore call overpriced.

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Old 12-12-2012, 05:17 AM   #30
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The 30k guitars are for rich hardcore collectors who have the money to spend on a guitar and handwired amp combo thats going to get played every year once. On Christmas. Or New years. Or even never.

Ive played a lot of gibsons. And the more expensive ones do often times feel more solid than the cheap ones. But compare a studio to just about any guitar in the price range. Yea, you dont get the fancy binding. You dont get the fancy coil taps all the time. But what you do get is a workhorse of a guitar thats going to last you a lifetime and will sound great for years to come.


I had a Studio, a good one. Then I played a bunch of Standards and Traditional. I noticed I quality difference.

But you're right. Great workhorse guitar.
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Old 12-12-2012, 05:41 AM   #31
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Ah lol. It means I thought that the thread was won.

It's a memetic type thing related to html. /win /thread etc. The backslash represents... erm.. The end of something... When you enter italics or bold or a table into code and you end the current command you use a backslash.

The easiest way to get it is probably to learn html lol.




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Old 12-12-2012, 06:23 AM   #32
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Old 12-12-2012, 09:04 AM   #33
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Companies have to chase up any copyright infringement. If they don't, even a single case, they lose the rights to that subject. That's simply how copyright law works, in all sectors and in virtually every country.

It's not up to a company like Gibson to say "oh, these guys are just a small company, we'll let them off". If they knowingly let one company infringe on their property, every company can start doing it. Same for Fender, PRS, ESP, Ibanez, Carvin, Mayones, Dean... hell, Agile, Tokai, literally any and every company. If you want to maintain rights to your property then you have to take action against anyone that unlawfully uses it.



Are you sure about you're saying there ? I just got out of my copyright law exam, and it seems to me that you are wrong on that matter...
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Are you sure about you're saying there ? I just got out of my copyright law exam, and it seems to me that you are wrong on that matter...


You are correct, "Use it or lose it" with copyrights is a myth. He may have been getting confused with trademarks.

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A product is worth whatever someone is willing to pay. I don't even really care for Gibsons, but that's besides the point. Fact is they sell at the prices you call overpriced.

A point many seem to overlook!

As for Gibson's use of lawsuits, I have absolutely no problem with it. If anything, I feel like there is a lot of leniency given to guitar makers (Look at all the strat/LP type guitars out there).
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Old 12-12-2012, 11:03 AM   #35
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I have been rather annoyed with Gibson wiping out every other company making a classic shaped V/Explorer with a Lawsuit


can you cite the lawsuit(s) you speak of?

"threats" of lawsuits and lawsuits are vastly different things.

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Are you sure about you're saying there ? I just got out of my copyright law exam, and it seems to me that you are wrong on that matter...
He is wrong but pointing it out to him typically makes it worse for all of us..
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can you cite the lawsuit(s) you speak of?

"threats" of lawsuits and lawsuits are vastly different things.

kthxbai.


I don't know of Lawsuit threats but for example there's ESP, I believe Jackson used the Explorer and Flying V shapes. So did Ibanez.
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Are you sure about you're saying there ? I just got out of my copyright law exam, and it seems to me that you are wrong on that matter...


Correct. Designs are trademarked; written things (including music, which is recorded for copyright on paper) are copyrighted. Guitar companies sue knock-off manufacturers over certain design elements that are either trademarked, or those that they believe should be trademarked, as Fender did recently with the Stratocaster body design. Part of the problem with the law is that is is often very difficult to get a trademark registered, whereas with copyright, you just have to create the written material and you have copyright (you had still better register it, though).
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Yes, fair enough, got copyright and trademark the wrong way around. Shoot me.

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Well it's recognised to be on the Autistic Spectrum by pretty much every western neurological and psychiatric body going. It is regarded as a ASD by most health care organisations and some are only just slowly moving away from it while others are not.

Besides, it's not a negative thing. Unless for some reason you find it to be. There's a lot of evidence to suggest it IS a ASD, with less to suggest its not. But the research for the 'not' isn't that old. Still, it's still regarded by lots of people to be ASD, so it's a matter of opinion right now.

http://www.autism.org.uk/about-auti...r-syndrome.aspx

I'm aware that some people view Aspergers as a variation of normal as opposed to an ASD but it's an opinion, and they both have evidence based research to back them up.

If someone with Aspergers wants to refer to a condition that might have dominated their life in largely a negative way in an informal way, then that's up to them. I'm not aware of any negative connotations of the term he used. It's not a term I'm aware of and I'm very much aware of ASDs and Aspergers. If there is something I should know about the term I'm interested to know.



Perhaps this discussion is suited to another sub forum, but I couldn't resist. It's kinda linked indirectly to my job and directly to my personal life.
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