JohnnyGenzale

You mean that there's people who do these kind of things partly because they wanna be the focal point of one of these stories? Or am I understanding you correctly?

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Eastwinn

maybe, but that's only a teeny weeny fraction of gun violence here. we need to look at poverty and its relationship with drugs and gangs.

lolmnt

It's definitely mental health.

It's definitely culture of violence.

Sensationalism in the media is a problem (not that big of one, but one nonetheless).

It's just like, violence will be here guns or not. If this guy didn't have a gun, he would have used a knife or a bat or something.

I'm all for making guns tougher to obtain, but it's not going to fix it.Absolutely.

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Todd Hart

Yeah, just like 1955 - 1975 was not the time to talk about the Vietnam war.

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Geldin

If this guy hadn't had a gun, there's no way in hell he would have killed 26 people. It was a gun that enabled him to kill that many people. Considering that information about him is extremely limited, I won't say anything about the shooter's mental state. What I can say is that if he didn't own a gun, killing that many people would have been a damn sight more difficult.

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blake1221

No, there was a link in the Aurora shooting thread about how publicizing the assailant increases the likelihood and speed of the next incident. Sensationalism is huge.

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Johnny_Ibanez

So what, when the government comes knocking you're going to shoot them? You're going to shoot the government? The government that spends $600bn a year on the military? You're going to "take them down" with your gun?

Carnivean

You can still get a gun if guns are illegal.

WCPhils

It's much easier to go on a killing rampage with a gun than with a baseball bat.

metaldud536

Right and there would be no guns to fire those rounds

If a criminal was that well off in weapons manufacturing, he probably wouldn't be a criminal

Those are all easier to defend against and have a better chance of surviving all that shit.

They were made to kill and/or injure living things....what is so positive about that?

The Jews were citizens of a corrupt country at the time. I'm pretty sure non-Jew German citizens also didn't have weapons.

The same law taking away guns from people would apply to criminals. Criminals mostly get caught. Few get away. Start slowly and you will see how violence will be better taken care of in this country. Statistics do show how gun control reduces homicides.

If we started a program where you can turn in firearms for a good amount of cash along with banning firearms for good, I'm sure it would reduce the incentive for poor criminals to go out and rob people.

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lolmnt

Can you find that link?

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Gimme a sec.

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JohnnyGenzale

Yes, but it's a lot harder for the average Joe. The people who are responsible for these massacres are rarely people that are deep down into criminality and rough neighbourhoods.

These people would have a much harder time aquiring a gun if they wanted to carry out the murders.

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Robfreitag

Where I live you can't own a gun, unless you're on a or keep it at a gun range or something, but mostly, you can't own one. consequently we have less deadly violence than countries that allow guns.
Society is built on rules and regulations which are supposed to be for the good of the community. I feel that even though I would like to have a gun, I'm very happy living in a country that has ruled against gun ownership for the good of society.

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Carnivean

I think we can all establish that GUNS are not the sole reason these killings have been happening. There's something else to it.

due 07

ur all shit posted it so it wasn't just some random ass dumb person fwiw [i think].

lolmnt

Easier, yes.

Impossible, no.

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lolmnt

I wasn't doubting it. I wanted to read it out of interest.

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bradulator

I think so yes. and stories like these are gold for media. and people like to follow stories like this no matter how horrible they are. and people like to know all of the information and like to find facebook pages of the culprit and yada yada. Here's a quote from Roger Ebert speaking about what he sees as media's role in shit like this:

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