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Old 12-14-2012, 04:30 PM   #21
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I honestly think that mental illness along with the insane amount of media coverage given to people who do things like this is a bigger problem than gun control. Especially the media coverage and people's obsession with big stories like this.


You mean that there's people who do these kind of things partly because they wanna be the focal point of one of these stories? Or am I understanding you correctly?
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Old 12-14-2012, 04:30 PM   #22
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I honestly think that mental illness along with the insane amount of media coverage given to people who do things like this is a bigger problem than gun control. Especially the media coverage and people's obsession with big stories like this.


maybe, but that's only a teeny weeny fraction of gun violence here. we need to look at poverty and its relationship with drugs and gangs.
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Old 12-14-2012, 04:31 PM   #23
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I honestly think that mental illness along with the insane amount of media coverage given to people who do things like this is a bigger problem than gun control. Especially the media coverage and people's obsession with big stories like this.
It's definitely mental health.

It's definitely culture of violence.

Sensationalism in the media is a problem (not that big of one, but one nonetheless).

It's just like, violence will be here guns or not. If this guy didn't have a gun, he would have used a knife or a bat or something.

I'm all for making guns tougher to obtain, but it's not going to fix it.
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maybe, but that's only a teeny weeny fraction of gun violence here. we need to look at poverty and its relationship with drugs and gangs.
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Old 12-14-2012, 04:32 PM   #25
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I honestly think that mental illness along with the insane amount of media coverage given to people who do things like this is a bigger problem than gun control. Especially the media coverage and people's obsession with big stories like this.

If this guy hadn't had a gun, there's no way in hell he would have killed 26 people. It was a gun that enabled him to kill that many people. Considering that information about him is extremely limited, I won't say anything about the shooter's mental state. What I can say is that if he didn't own a gun, killing that many people would have been a damn sight more difficult.
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Old 12-14-2012, 04:33 PM   #26
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Sensationalism in the media is a problem (not that big of one, but one nonetheless).


No, there was a link in the Aurora shooting thread about how publicizing the assailant increases the likelihood and speed of the next incident. Sensationalism is huge.
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Old 12-14-2012, 04:33 PM   #27
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My distrust for the government is too high to ever be in favor of ridding all guns.



So what, when the government comes knocking you're going to shoot them? You're going to shoot the government? The government that spends $600bn a year on the military? You're going to "take them down" with your gun?
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Old 12-14-2012, 04:33 PM   #28
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If this guy hadn't had a gun, there's no way in hell he would have killed 26 people. It was a gun that enabled him to kill that many people. Considering that information about him is extremely limited, I won't say anything about the shooter's mental state. What I can say is that if he didn't own a gun, killing that many people would have been a damn sight more difficult.


You can still get a gun if guns are illegal.
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Old 12-14-2012, 04:33 PM   #29
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It's definitely mental health.

It's definitely culture of violence.

Sensationalism in the media is a problem (not that big of one, but one nonetheless).

It's just like, violence will be here guns or not. If this guy didn't have a gun, he would have used a knife or a bat or something.

I'm all for making guns tougher to obtain, but it's not going to fix it.Absolutely.

It's much easier to go on a killing rampage with a gun than with a baseball bat.
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I was taught to respect guns. I haven't killed anyone. when kids are taught by shitty parents that guns are for killing people that owe you money, or to use if your hoe doesn't listen to you, they're probably going to use them for evil.

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If someone really really wants to kill someone, but they don't have a gun, they can stab/beat/run over/burn the person. Murder wasn't invented the same day the gun was.

Those are all easier to defend against and have a better chance of surviving all that shit.
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America is filled with guns. It would be worth it if the educational system would teach kids to respect firearms. Instead, they are taught that they are terrible things.

They were made to kill and/or injure living things....what is so positive about that?
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I hate saying this, but what if the Jews had firearms in Germany in the 30's and 40's. Things would have been a bit different. This applies to any genocide throughout history.

The Jews were citizens of a corrupt country at the time. I'm pretty sure non-Jew German citizens also didn't have weapons.
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There are already so many guns here, that if you took them away, the criminals would still have theirs, thus making it worse for the everyday citizens. This is just my opinion. I feel terrible that this happened. Trust me, not everyone that is pro gun is a psychopath.

The same law taking away guns from people would apply to criminals. Criminals mostly get caught. Few get away. Start slowly and you will see how violence will be better taken care of in this country. Statistics do show how gun control reduces homicides.

If we started a program where you can turn in firearms for a good amount of cash along with banning firearms for good, I'm sure it would reduce the incentive for poor criminals to go out and rob people.
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No, there was a link in the Aurora shooting thread about how publicizing the assailant increases the likelihood and speed of the next incident. Sensationalism is huge.
Can you find that link?
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Old 12-14-2012, 04:34 PM   #33
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You can still get a gun if guns are illegal.


Yes, but it's a lot harder for the average Joe. The people who are responsible for these massacres are rarely people that are deep down into criminality and rough neighbourhoods.

These people would have a much harder time aquiring a gun if they wanted to carry out the murders.
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Where I live you can't own a gun, unless you're on a or keep it at a gun range or something, but mostly, you can't own one. consequently we have less deadly violence than countries that allow guns.
Society is built on rules and regulations which are supposed to be for the good of the community. I feel that even though I would like to have a gun, I'm very happy living in a country that has ruled against gun ownership for the good of society.
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I think we can all establish that GUNS are not the sole reason these killings have been happening. There's something else to it.
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Old 12-14-2012, 04:35 PM   #36
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ur all shit posted it so it wasn't just some random ass dumb person fwiw [i think].
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It's much easier to go on a killing rampage with a gun than with a baseball bat.
Easier, yes.

Impossible, no.
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ur all shit posted it so it wasn't just some random ass dumb person fwiw [i think].
I wasn't doubting it. I wanted to read it out of interest.
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You mean that there's people who do these kind of things partly because they wanna be the focal point of one of these stories? Or am I understanding you correctly?


I think so yes. and stories like these are gold for media. and people like to follow stories like this no matter how horrible they are. and people like to know all of the information and like to find facebook pages of the culprit and yada yada. Here's a quote from Roger Ebert speaking about what he sees as media's role in shit like this:

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The reporter looked disappointed, so I offered her my theory. “Events like this,” I said, “if they are influenced by anything, are influenced by news programs like your own. When an unbalanced kid walks into a school and starts shooting, it becomes a major media event. Cable news drops ordinary programming and goes around the clock with it. The story is assigned a logo and a theme song; these two kids were packaged as the Trench Coat Mafia. The message is clear to other disturbed kids around the country: If I shoot up my school, I can be famous. The TV will talk about nothing else but me. Experts will try to figure out what I was thinking. The kids and teachers at school will see they shouldn’t have messed with me. I’ll go out in a blaze of glory.”

In short, I said, events like Columbine are influenced far less by violent movies than by CNN, the NBC Nightly News and all the other news media, who glorify the killers in the guise of “explaining” them. I commended the policy at the Sun-Times, where our editor said the paper would no longer feature school killings on Page 1. The reporter thanked me and turned off the camera. Of course the interview was never used. They found plenty of talking heads to condemn violent movies, and everybody was happy.
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You can still get a gun if guns are illegal.

Of course you can. But it's more expensive and more difficult. I'm not going to conjecture about this guy specifically, but if a weapon is twice as difficult to obtain and twice as expensive, then logically, fewer people will have that weapon.

Look at the numbers. Countries with strict gun control laws have seen a dramatic reduction of firearm related fatalities. Would that have necessarily stopped this guy? There's no way of knowing. Will gun control laws stop potential shooters? The numbers say yes.
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