Originally Posted by blake1221

Element, I couldn't find it. I feel like LemonInfluence or someone smart posted it, but it might be in a different shooting thread. I'm not sure.

Sorry :/




Knew it was someone smart. Can't find it, though.

Originally Posted by element4433

Yeah. people, like Lemoninfluence, are hypocrites and should have all their opinions invalidated from here on out.

Originally Posted by Todd Hart

Protecting them from what? Seriously, what possible situation is there where you whipping out a gun is going to make your family more safe?

Home invasion: well, they're probably armed as well, and almost certainly more willing to use it.

Mass murder in a public place: the other guy is clearly happy to kill, and you adding more bullets into the fray in a blind attempt to be a hero is just going to get more people killed.

Government conspiracy to murder you (I include this because apparently this is a big fear in America): yeah, I think the government has better weapons and training than you.

Animal attack: Mhmm, potentially.

Guerrilla terrorist force sent by the commies: they're better trained than you and more willing to kill.

Robot rebellion: they're made of metal, good luck fending them off with your 9mm.

Alien invasion: they're clearly more technologically advanced, your weapon isn't likely to help.

Second coming: it's mother****ing Jesus, what you gonna do?

Originally Posted by bradulator

yeah, and people who are mentally ill and who are driven to do such subhuman things WILL plan it out like that. That's what makes them different than those who just get pissed off and can't control their anger.

Originally Posted by The hamburgler

Metaldud will be it's middle name. You my good sir are officially the godfather of a hansome young donkey.

Originally Posted by JohnnyGenzale

Damnit Todd. I always agree with you. On everything.

Originally Posted by bradulator

In what world is this? One where guns aren't even manufactured or sold illegally?

Originally Posted by Jostry

Romney's gonna win.

Originally Posted by WCPhils

That't not what I meant.

What I'm saying is that a lot of people talk about, well then only the mass murders will have guns and we won't be able to defend ourselves. I don't see how that line of reasoning works since you almost never (and I can't think of any) here about some gun wielding vigilante killing the rampaging psychopath.

Originally Posted by Todd Hart

So if I were to propose that you would look much better in a zebra onesie and in my sex dungeon your response would be...?

Originally Posted by JohnnyGenzale

Bombs? Chemical weapons? Really?
Are you really bringing these in as arguments now? You fail to see the point.

Originally Posted by Overlord

It's not hard to be nice, but it's nice to be hard

Originally Posted by ErikLensherr

Pretty much all illegal guns in the US start out legal. They're just rerouted through straw purchasers. Cut off the legal supply and the illegal supply largely dries up.

Yeah people could try making their own, but come on amateur made guns? I'd still take my chances.

There's also smuggling, but I'm not sure where people would even try to smuggle guns in from. We're the ones who provide guns to all our neighbors.

Originally Posted by JohnnyGenzale

giver or receiver?

Originally Posted by Carnivean

Um yes, really. Really. I know, crazy right? Take away guns, and people find other easy ways to kill people.

Crazy.



Bombs and chemical weapons are tools on this earth, not just war. Ordinary people can make them if the determination and resources. They can be simple, handmade, etc. An average chemistry teacher has the knowledge to make a variety of lethal concoctions. And these weapons can be hidden, transported, disposed of.

Originally Posted by Lemoninfluence

That's the only thing I can think of. I don't know who posted it, I just know it wasn't me, I remember seeing it on here for the first time.

Also it was posted in the other thread before this debate was forbidden there.

Don't know how much weight it really carries. But I'm sure that if there wasn't as much media attention it mightn't even occur to these people that going on a rampage was an option.

It's like a form of morbid advertising. It doesn't make you want to get back at society, but if you're looking for some way to get back at society you go with the one that you know is effective.

Originally Posted by Todd Hart

Plus, if home-made (lol) and illegally purchased firearms were to be just as common if gun laws were increased then the UK would be having comparable rates of gun-related homicide.

Originally Posted by WCPhils

That't not what I meant.

What I'm saying is that a lot of people talk about, well then only the mass murders will have guns and we won't be able to defend ourselves. I don't see how that line of reasoning works since you almost never (and I can't think of any) here about some gun wielding vigilante killing the rampaging psychopath.

Originally Posted by Overlord

It's not hard to be nice, but it's nice to be hard

Originally Posted by Todd Hart

Well I was going to be wearing a crocodile onesie, so I guess we follow the food chain. Afraid I come out on top.

Originally Posted by AxeToFall

I hate to burst everyones bubble.... but debating gun control on ultimate-guitar isn't going to change a damn thing, you people need better ways to cycle your energy.

Originally Posted by element4433

Yeah. people, like Lemoninfluence, are hypocrites and should have all their opinions invalidated from here on out.

Originally Posted by Xiaoxi

When I lived in Boston, I used to pass by this billboard all the time. Now it's just haunting to me:

Originally Posted by ErikLensherr

I would sooo take my chances in a world where crazy people had to use bats, knives, forks, etc. to try to carry out their killing sprees.