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Old 12-18-2012, 09:28 AM   #41
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This is how you adjust the rod.

first measure the neck's relief.

to do that,
you fret the Low E at the first fret, at the same time,
you fret the Low E at the last fret,
where the neck and body meet.

with both places held, look at the middle frets, 7-9th.

does the string lay on the fretwire there?
if it does, then you do not have enough relief.

does a thin pick fit in the gap at the fretwire there?
do two picks fit?

measure and post back...


edit:
i also want you to post pics of the guitar's flaws if you can.

and if you dont mind, what site did you buy the guitar?
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Old 12-18-2012, 09:52 AM   #42
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This is how you adjust the rod.

first measure the neck's relief.

to do that,
you fret the Low E at the first fret, at the same time,
you fret the Low E at the last fret,
where the neck and body meet.

with both places held, look at the middle frets, 7-9th.

does the string lay on the fretwire there?
if it does, then you do not have enough relief.

does a thin pick fit in the gap at the fretwire there?
do two picks fit?

measure and post back...


edit:
i also want you to post pics of the guitar's flaws if you can.

and if you dont mind, what site did you buy the guitar?


Thanks forthe responce that's helping diagnose the problem

I'm at work right now but I get home at 4 and will do that test. Although I checked the relief last night between 1st and 12th on the low e and also 1st and 15th - and there was no relief at all. String was touching all frets all the way down, with VERY minimal gap if any.

I find this strange as when I eyed the neck it had a slight front bow, ie the way it should be, and the little relief is contradictory to this.

So, should I try raising the bride until the buzz goes away, and then loosen the rod for some relief?

Thanks for the help, it's appreciated

Edit: if I can copy and paste pics from my iPhone I'll post some later sure, also I bought it from Thomann

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Old 12-18-2012, 11:08 AM   #43
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the only test that counts is using a straight edge or meter to detect relief.

by fretting the first and last fret ~19th, the string becomes that straight edge and shows you clearly if you have relief.

if the string is on the frets, then correct, you have no relief, and the guitar should play better, if you add some.

you use the correct wrench and turn the truss rod
1/4 turn Counter clockwise.
you do not force the turn and after the turn,
you let the guitar settle in tune.
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a 1/4 turn is a small amount.
if you are not clear what a counter-clockwise turn is,
then look down into the truss rod nut area and imagine a clockface.
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after you turn that small amount,
tune up the guitar, feel free to play it, but
don't adjust it any more until after you
measure again and post back here.

pictures of dodgy fret and paint work, would be interesting.

i'm concerned to see if the site you used is a reputable one.
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Old 12-18-2012, 11:11 AM   #44
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^^ he ordered from Thomann.de, so basicaly the european MF

And listen to jen, she knows her stuff
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Old 12-18-2012, 11:12 AM   #45
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^oh i saw dave mention Thomann, but i thought the TS said something about another site.

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Old 12-18-2012, 11:15 AM   #46
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Old 12-18-2012, 12:09 PM   #47
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Apologies for the mild hijack - how does the OPs LP Studio compare to one of these?
http://www.dawsons.co.uk/gibson-les...CFTDMtAodbl8ANg
Been really fancying a Les Paul and was thinking the studio was on a par but without the frills (I must have been suckered by the marketing and saving nearly 1K).

I've got a US strat that feels very good, I'd want a LP that is at least on a par with a US standard strat

OP - distance selling regs cover you, as long as it is as new and you cover the postage.

And if you're really gonna quit playing over this you probably dont get that much enjoyment from it. If you do, then HTFU.
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Old 12-18-2012, 12:11 PM   #48
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Get that guitar back to Thomann asap, a guitar that costs 60 let alone 550 should never cut your fingers with it's sharp frets, that's far beyond the old "just needs a setup" argument.
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I had a LP studio for several yrs, it was a great guitar. but like said Gibson guitars are hand made so they do vary a bit from guitar to guitar.

I sugest you go play them and pic one that you like the feel of best.
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Old 12-18-2012, 12:19 PM   #50
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After double checking there is actually a slight (and I mean very small) gap when checking the relief with the first- last fret method, apologies Jen.

I also tried raising my bridge to various heights to see if it cured the problem, and it only helped the slightest bit. Even with horrible playability it still rattled like an Alfa Romeo.

So I assume my only option now is to try adjusting the truss anyway and see how it goes
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I will also take and post some pics after I try your suggestion Jen
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Old 12-18-2012, 12:28 PM   #52
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Send it back, take the cost of postage in your stride. Hop on a bus to Dublin, tour the guitar shops, buy a guitar, have a beer in temple bar followed by a Kebab, get the bus home.

A bucket of win.

I wouldn't spend 600 notes and not be anything other than chuffed. It's either as bad as your opening post or it isn't.
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Old 12-18-2012, 12:34 PM   #53
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Firstly, I'm not travelling 2 and a half hours on a train four times to leave my guitar to get fixed then coming back, then going again to get it and coming back.



Firstly, ya traveling 2 hours to get a guitar set up is nuts....But traveling 2 hours to know what your spending 1000+ is pretty sensible if you ask me. I suggested driving/train down to try find a guitar that could last you a life time and thus avoid all the hassle your having....

Arent Lowden guitars in Belfast? someone there could service it correctly or at least tell you is it fixable or a hunk of junk....
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Ok so I tried exactly as you instructed Jen and the problem is now worse, I didn't think it could get worse. Now my high e string is also affected. The neck looks extremely weird now looking at it in a normal playing position. I feel like giving up
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Ok so I tried exactly as you instructed Jen and the problem is now worse, I didn't think it could get worse. Now my high e string is also affected. The neck looks extremely weird now looking at it in a normal playing position. I feel like giving up


ok so you had a slight amount of relief, and turned a small amount counter-clockwise, and now the neck looks
"extremely weird'?

JJ, worst case you can turn the truss rod back the 1/4 turn.
this is not like permanently changing the guitar in some way. this is a normal adjustment.

when you measure now, what type of pick fits at the middle gap?
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ok so you had a slight amount of relief, and turned a small amount counter-clockwise, and now the neck looks
"extremely weird'?

JJ, worst case you can turn the truss rod back the 1/4 turn.
this is not like permanently changing the guitar in some way. this is a normal adjustment.

when you measure now, what type of pick fits at the middle gap?


I would estimate it at about .25mm at 12th fret, the smallest pick i have is .46 and it cant fit in without doubling the gap. To be honest I think the guitar has a warped neck or something and it's a lost cause

By "extremely weird" I mean it looks like its bent way too far forward, but when I eye down the neck it's just a slight front bow.
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Old 12-18-2012, 01:02 PM   #57
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I would estimate it at about .25mm at 12th fret, the smallest pick i have is .46 and it cant fit in without doubling the gap. To be honest I think the guitar has a warped neck or something and it's a lost cause

By "extremely weird" I mean it looks like its bent way too far forward, but when I eye down the neck it's just a slight front bow.


I am not sure you are measuring at the correct place.

what i need you to do is fret the 1st fret,
and at the same time, ~19th fret, where the neck and body meet.

now measure around the 7-9th fret.

what pick if any fits in that gap?
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I am not sure you are measuring at the correct place.

what i need you to do is fret the 1st fret,
and at the same time, ~19th fret, where the neck and body meet.

now measure around the 7-9th fret.

what pick if any fits in that gap?


Ok I did as you said, and my .46mm pick almost fits the gap, it's slightly too big. So I'm guessing it's like a .35mm gap

Don't worry I'm following exactly as you instruct, using a capo to hold the first string down so I have two hands free, one to fret the 17th and one to measure with the pick

Also I contacted the returns department at thomann and they were very helpful, all I need to do is print off a label and drop it off at the post office for free money refund

Edit: I mean 19th, damn iPhones spell correct

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Old 12-18-2012, 01:43 PM   #59
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ok so normally i would suggest that you add a little more relief, .43mm is a very very small amount.

but i'm guessing that you have already made up your mind and are choosing not to keep the guitar. ?

if that's the case, then let me go finish work here.
i'll continue to check back in, if you're still up in the air.
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There's your problem. I know that trying guitars before buying them isn't possible in your case, but it's always better to do so whenever possible.


That's not his problem!

His problem is that he bought a guitar which was claimed to be "price=quality".
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