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I have a strong preference for 'real' instruments 47 31.33%
I have a slight preference for 'real' instruments 45 30.00%
I have no preference either way 53 35.33%
I have a slight preference for electronic instruments 4 2.67%
I have a strong preference for electronic instruments 1 0.67%
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Old 12-18-2012, 07:20 AM   #41
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I don't know, if I put a solid week (like seven 24 hour days) into making a dubsteb song, I think I could probably make a decent one.



No, you wouldn't. I've been learning to mix/produce for almost 3 years now and I'm no where near a professional level by any means. You have to develop a damn good ear to be a good mixer and also learn the many techniques out there to get a certain sound. There's a ton of fine tuning that goes into producing electronic music, especially the more complex genres. I'd also love to see you trying to make synth sounds. I guess you could handle the stereotypical "supersaw" sound.
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Old 12-18-2012, 07:27 AM   #42
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I didn't say I'd make a stellar top of the charts song, I said I'd make a decent song. For dubstep that "supersaw" would be fine. Just like powerchords for your 3 piece decent song-making rock band would be fine.
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Old 12-18-2012, 07:28 AM   #43
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Old 12-18-2012, 07:38 AM   #44
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I didn't say I'd make a stellar top of the charts song, I said I'd make a decent song. For dubstep that "supersaw" would be fine. Just like powerchords for your 3 piece decent song-making rock band would be fine.


Anybody who can 'decently' play guitar could probably make a decent song, just by using a simple chord progression and a decent voice. Anybody who has some knowledge of digital equipment could make a decent dubstep song.

What's different is that someone who has no knowledge of either could make a better sounding song using digital equipment. I have no knowledge of that stuff, but just by playing around in a generic program, I was able to make something that sounded decent. Whereas if I gave my guitar to my roommate, who has no musical skill, he wouldn't know where to begin.
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Old 12-18-2012, 07:43 AM   #45
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when shit like this starts happening... real, very real and only real instruments please.
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Old 12-18-2012, 07:45 AM   #46
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That list is horrendous in almost every conceivable way.
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Old 12-18-2012, 07:52 AM   #47
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I don't know, if I put a solid week (like seven 24 hour days) into making a dubsteb song, I think I could probably make a decent one. Now how long would it take to make even a decent song using drums, bass, and guitar?

Please go and try. Lots of people say stuff like this and feel high and mighty about playing what is being comically labelled 'real' instruments but never do it and find out.

To answer your question, how long does it take to learn C, F, G?

Anyhow, I have no real preference. Maybe slightly leaning to electronic instruments because of the vastly superior opportunities in terms of texture

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I didn't say I'd make a stellar top of the charts song, I said I'd make a decent song. For dubstep that "supersaw" would be fine. Just like powerchords for your 3 piece decent song-making rock band would be fine.

Supersaws are for Trance. Now I really want to hear your avant-garde Dubstep.

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Old 12-18-2012, 07:54 AM   #48
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If it's not a real instrument (or an orchestral backing on keyboard, I can understand that) I want no part of it.
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Old 12-18-2012, 07:59 AM   #49
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I'm quite sure it would be, but I didn't make it past #100
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I'm quite sure it would be, but I didn't make it past #100


Top 10 isn't much better. Only one I agree with is Johnny Ramone, and that's more influential than any real talent for the guitar.
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I'm not saying either one doesn't take any skill, but physical playing of an instrument takes way more skill than lining up beats on a computer. You have all the time you need to make it perfect. To perform, you hit play and it plays perfectly every time. Try playing perfectly every time with a 3 piece band. Impossible.

Completely missed this awful analogy as well.

I might as well go, "Well you know, every time I put on an Arctic Monkeys album they play the songs the same every time". Making individual songs isn't the performance aspect of Electronic music. In fact, most of us who make it don't even delve into the performance side of things.
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I didn't say I'd make a stellar top of the charts song, I said I'd make a decent song. For dubstep that "supersaw" would be fine.


Except supersaws aren't the synth sound attributed to dubstep. Also, no, that would not work at all. You'd need a wavetable synth and some decent knowledge on synthesis and processing get a good dubstep bass sound.
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Old 12-18-2012, 08:08 AM   #54
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No real preference, but I think certain emotions are hard to portray when playing an electronic instrument. Anger and passion betray themselves far easier and far more intensely in music that is acoustically generated. However, I don't think that music should be entirely about extreme depths of emotion, and electronic instrumentation can provide far more nuance.
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No real preference, but I think certain emotions are hard to portray when playing an electronic instrument. Anger and passion betray themselves far easier and far more intensely in music that is acoustically generated. However, I don't think that music should be entirely about extreme depths of emotion, and electronic instrumentation can provide far more nuance.

True dat.

But I've always found contemplative, mellow music to be better when it's electronic.
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But I've always found contemplative, mellow music to be better when it's electronic.


Certainly. The fact that acoustic music requires a specific strength of impact to make a sound and can't hold a consistent tone for any real length of time means that electronics produce much more beautiful ambient and reflective music, I feel.
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To answer your question, how long does it take to learn C, F, G?

Also how to make a beat on drums with fills and all, and bass.. Well you got me there. Also on that guitar you'd need more than that, bridge, chorus, etc. All different. I said a decent song, not a simple one instrument acoustic guitar song. In my dubstep song I'd be able to use the program to put bass, leads, beats, etc into it. So if I do that, you can do those three as well.

And where would you learn those chords? We're talking about someone who has no schooling in it. I'm fairly computer literate so I could figure some program like reason for FLStudio out pretty easily. How are you going to just "figure out" chords? You'd need a teacher or book. And I don't get them to make my song, why would you? Even if you did, how would you even know what order to play them in? That's not really beginner stuff. Well it is, but not someone who JUST picked up a guitar.
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Also how to make a beat on drums with fills and all, and bass.. Well you got me there. Also on that guitar you'd need more than that, bridge, chorus, etc. All different. I said a decent song, not a simple one instrument acoustic guitar song. In my dubstep song I'd be able to use the program to put bass, leads, beats, etc into it. So if I do that, you can do those three as well.


You've never tried to make an electronic song have you?

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And where would you learn those chords? We're talking about someone who has no schooling in it. I'm fairly computer literate so I could figure some program like reason for FLStudio out pretty easily. How are you going to just "figure out" chords? You'd need a teacher or book. And I don't get them to make my song, why would you?


If you don't assume some semblance of musical knowledge then you may as well just get two dogs and place different instruments in front of them.
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If you don't assume some semblance of musical knowledge then you may as well just get two dogs and place different instruments in front of them.

But that's my argument. If you take two people, give one a program on a computer, and give the other some instruments and tell them to make a somewhat good sounding song, who has the easier time?

That's the only point I was trying to make.

And yes I messed around with electronic music a bit. I'm not the next electronic star, but it's easier than when I first picked up a guitar, that's for sure.
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Electronic music doesn't do anything for me unless it's ambient/chill stuff. Even then I strongly prefer hearing music with real instruments.
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