12-19-2012, 09:27 AM
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It's okay Cath, calm down
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12-19-2012, 09:29 AM
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What can you say except
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12-19-2012, 09:38 AM
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I was talking about multi-effect pedals in contrast to single effect pedals.
Did you miss your shot of insulin or something...?
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12-19-2012, 09:40 AM
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Yes and you're wrong. MultiFX units make it easier to change settings, not harder. You only have to program it once.
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12-19-2012, 09:41 AM
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 you're so deadset on your opinion that i'm just going to continue to antagonize you.
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12-19-2012, 09:47 AM
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Dude, how is that an opinion? What Cath said is a fact. MFX are set and forget. And because they're digital, you can't even accidentally mess them up like you can on a pedal. Explain your reasoning.
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12-19-2012, 09:49 AM
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It's my opinion that selecting a patch with a single button which changes ALL your settings is easier than having to adjust individual pedals between songs? That's not just an opinion, that's reality. It IS easier to change settings on a well programmed MFX unit. How is that an opinion?
You don't know what the **** you are talking about. Now go away.
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12-19-2012, 09:56 AM
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i've never used a rack system, the only experience i have with multifx is one or two pedals i used (not mine) that required manual switching (via scrolling_) of fx. this meant that you'd have to scroll past "x" amount of fx to get to the one you wanted.
based on my experience, i found it much easier to have a pedalboard. plus, i like my analog. with a line switcher, different possibilities open up as far as presets... but more pedals are involved. i've never really considered getting an fx unit >$300 because it never really seemed worth it. but then again i'm a creature of habit, and like i said - i likes my analogs. however, imho, if digital is where you want to go, i think software is the way to do it. instead of having a rack, though, why not just have a laptop set up instead? you can have a virtually unlimited amount of presets with that option, as well as whatever amp modelling software and a DAW for recording at the same time...
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12-19-2012, 10:00 AM
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TS - we do it for the TOAN.
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12-19-2012, 10:01 AM
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The advantage of a rack is that it's all there ready to go, more reliable, no screwing around with computers, everything linked via MIDI. Dedicated units that do exactly what you want every time. Just turn it on, plug in and go. Laptops are fine for screwing around at home but keep that shit off my stage.
Your opinions are based on what inferior units do. To say it as a blanket statement about MFX units is simply wrong. Buy something decent and everything you said was totally wrong. People use racks for convenience. You program it once and never have to worry about it again.
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12-19-2012, 10:02 AM
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no one cares about digital effects.
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Alright, noted. Good dedicated dig units are expensive though - which is why I've never bothered with them. If I can get a good OD, a wah, and a delay, all for under $500, I'm happy with that. There's a lot of superfluous fx that, honestly, I don't see myself using too often. eg ring mod and i think you may be underestimating some of the pc software out there. i've gotten some pretty nice tones coming out of a program as simple as guitar rig running out to a cabinet. i think pc fx have their place on a stage
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12-19-2012, 10:09 AM
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I've used pc's on stage. They shit me to tears. The amount of EM interference on most stages often locks them up - and it always happens at the worst possible time. The lights start going crazy at the climax of the song and the computer locks up. I have never had a rack unit lock up ever.
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Lol alright, I admit my original post/argument was flawed. I still think analogs sound better though.
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12-19-2012, 10:12 AM
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That way you just buy what you need/want, not a bunch of crap you'll never use
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12-19-2012, 10:13 AM
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Ah, gotcha there too. My GP-8 is mostly analog (apart from chorus and delay) with digital control.
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*retreats into cave to ponder the meaning of life*
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12-19-2012, 01:48 PM
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At the end of the day, it all depends on what you want.
I have no use for a multieffects because I don't use enough effects to make one worth it. I usually have to change from a clean tone with chorus, to a dirty tone, which I can do in one stomp. Other than that, it's just turning on EQ and/or delay for a solo, or using wah. Both have their uses, their downfalls, and their shortcomings. The cheap ones usually are lackluster in everything, but are good for getting your feet wet.
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