Go Back   UG Community @ Ultimate-Guitar.Com > Music > Musician Talk
User Name  
Password
Search:

Reply
Old 12-20-2012, 04:40 PM   #1
GirlGerms
Stardog Champion
 
GirlGerms's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: England
Theory question (whole guitar in drop C tuning)

I am currently playing with my guitar in drop C tuning (CGCFAD). I want to play C Dorian (starting from 3rd fret) over the chords C5th, F5th, D#5th, G5th. I know this is fine theoretically. But when playing the C Dorian scale (starting from the 3rd fret) over these chords, is it okay to also play open C on the thickest string over any of these chords?
__________________
*SUPERFUZZED*



"I'm just a*Stardog Champion*...
I'm a
*Stardog Champion*
I'm a
* Stardog* baby...
I ain't gonna let ya down, yeah
I'm gonna let ya down.
"
GirlGerms is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-20-2012, 04:57 PM   #2
HotspurJr
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
What is the quality of the third in C Dorian?
What is the quality of the third in an open C?
HotspurJr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-20-2012, 05:07 PM   #3
GirlGerms
Stardog Champion
 
GirlGerms's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: England
Quote:
Originally Posted by HotspurJr
What is the quality of the third in C Dorian?
What is the quality of the third in an open C?


I have no idea if I am honest, I know very little theory. :/
__________________
*SUPERFUZZED*



"I'm just a*Stardog Champion*...
I'm a
*Stardog Champion*
I'm a
* Stardog* baby...
I ain't gonna let ya down, yeah
I'm gonna let ya down.
"
GirlGerms is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-20-2012, 05:18 PM   #4
z4twenny
UG's resident Psychopath
 
z4twenny's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: there ain't no doubt in my mind, i'm gonna stomp all over your test of time.
Quote:
Originally Posted by GirlGerms
I have no idea if I am honest, I know very little theory. :/

Then don't start with modes. Start with basic chord construction and harmony
__________________
41 songs in my profile, click "view all mp3's" all sorts of variety
Check out my new Industrial side project Penis Christ
http://artists.ultimate-guitar.com/penischrist/
Cover of the NIN classic Head like a hole.
z4twenny is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-20-2012, 05:19 PM   #5
Matt.Guitar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
I'm not entirely sure what you're asking - play what sounds good.
Matt.Guitar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-20-2012, 05:48 PM   #6
doive
Maths + Science expert
 
doive's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Cambridge, UK
You chord sequence is I IV iii V (I'm assuming you mean Eb when you say D#, yes they're the same pitch, but they imply something theoretically different)

as you only state 5ths you have the notes: C-G, F-C, Eb-Bb, G-D. In ascending order from C: C D Eb F G Bb. These notes all fall within the "normal" minor scale. Adding the word Dorian makes no intuitive sense in this scenario, in fact there's no A or Ab so it's seems unlikely that the melody would have Dorian tonality at all.

Also - tuning makes no difference to theory...
__________________
The only 6 words that can make you a better guitarist:

Learn theory
Practice better
Practice more
doive is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-20-2012, 06:25 PM   #7
GirlGerms
Stardog Champion
 
GirlGerms's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: England
Okay I decided to post exactly what it is that I am playing, if you go to my profile and play the "drop c thing" you can hear it. Is anything clashy between the notes and chords?
__________________
*SUPERFUZZED*



"I'm just a*Stardog Champion*...
I'm a
*Stardog Champion*
I'm a
* Stardog* baby...
I ain't gonna let ya down, yeah
I'm gonna let ya down.
"
GirlGerms is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-20-2012, 08:05 PM   #8
vampirelazarus
the one with four strings
 
vampirelazarus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Here
Quote:
Originally Posted by z4twenny
Then don't start with modes. Start with basic chord construction and harmony



So... this is exactly what you should be doing TS, this, and only this right now.
__________________
Understand nothing, in order to learn everything.

Quote:
Originally Posted by liampje
I can write a coherent tune ... But 3/4? I play rock, not polka.
vampirelazarus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-20-2012, 08:08 PM   #9
HotspurJr
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Quote:
Originally Posted by GirlGerms
I have no idea if I am honest, I know very little theory. :/


Then why are you throwing around terms like "Dorian?"

I actually misunderstood your question (my apologies) but in any event, your lack of theory knowledge is the real problem here. You want a theoretical answer to a question that you have no background to understand.

Go to musictheory.net and start working through the lessons.
HotspurJr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-20-2012, 08:50 PM   #10
will42
UG's bassoon-master
 
will42's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Quote:
Originally Posted by HotspurJr

Go to musictheory.net and start working through the lessons.


+1334ou35u342y5u23453

from the beginning.
__________________
Strauss!
"I am hitting my head against the walls, but the walls are giving way." - Gustav Mahler.

Quote:
Originally Posted by AeolianWolf
absolutely what will said

Yay, my first compliment!
will42 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-20-2012, 11:37 PM   #11
Junior#1
Is SouTaicho Yamamoto-san
 
Junior#1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
As has already been said, forget about modes. Until you learn some more theory and chord construction and gain an incredible understanding of at least the major scale, modes are pretty much useless.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Geldin
Junior's usually at least a little terse, but he knows his stuff. I've always read his posts in a grouchy grandfather voice, a grouchy grandfather with a huge stiffy for alternate picking.
Besides that, he's right this time. As usual.
Junior#1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-21-2012, 12:13 AM   #12
food1010
Bassist
 
food1010's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
The most important question is, do you like how it sounds? Forget about what is "right" because there is no right or wrong in music.

I listened to the sound clip and honestly couldn't tell the melody apart from the chords. It didn't really have the best flow, but I couldn't hear anything blatantly "wrong" about it.
__________________
Only play what you hear. If you donít hear anything, donít play anything.
-Chick Corea
food1010 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-21-2012, 12:34 AM   #13
macashmack
Maskcashmack
 
macashmack's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Having a theoretical standing is not going to do you much good if you can't hear anything. It sounds like you do not know what it is going to sound like (evident by you asking if there is any "clashing" in your notes). My 2 cents are to, as you work your way through the music theory website, train your ear.
A perfect fifth is a sound, as well as a concept.
macashmack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-21-2012, 04:51 PM   #14
MaggaraMarine
Slapping the bass.
 
MaggaraMarine's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Finland
Quote:
Originally Posted by doive
You chord sequence is I IV iii V (I'm assuming you mean Eb when you say D#, yes they're the same pitch, but they imply something theoretically different)

as you only state 5ths you have the notes: C-G, F-C, Eb-Bb, G-D. In ascending order from C: C D Eb F G Bb. These notes all fall within the "normal" minor scale. Adding the word Dorian makes no intuitive sense in this scenario, in fact there's no A or Ab so it's seems unlikely that the melody would have Dorian tonality at all.

Also - tuning makes no difference to theory...

The F5 chord can be major or minor. And if the TS wants it to be major, then he has to play a major sixth (A) over it (C dorian scale). And I would write the chord progression like this: i-IV-III-v (assuming that TS wants the F5 chord to be a major chord). (Major chords with caps.)

And TS, the scale is all over the neck. C dorian scale has notes C D Eb F G A Bb. You can play them in any position you want. And you can use whatever notes you want. It's "theoretically" correct to use all the 12 notes over all of the chords if you want. But not all of the notes might sound good over the chords. Always play the sound you are after. If you want it to have that "dorian flavour", as some people say, then use notes in C dorian scale. And don't just play randomly. Listen to the backing track (chords, rhythms, sounds) and try to find a melody that fits it well.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlanHB
Just rememeber that there are no boring scales, just boring players.

Gear

Charvel So Cal
Ibanez Blazer
Digitech RP355
MXR Micro Chorus
Laney VC30
Tokai TB48
Hartke HyDrive 210c

Last edited by MaggaraMarine : 12-21-2012 at 04:58 PM.
MaggaraMarine is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:17 PM.

Forum Archives / About / Terms of Use / Advertise / Contact / Ultimate-Guitar.Com © 2014
Powered by: vBulletin Version 3.0.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.