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Old 12-25-2012, 07:16 PM   #21
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I have a squire and a strat. Sound seems pretty similar, the strat is made much better, and has more weight to it.
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Old 12-25-2012, 07:19 PM   #22
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Well, when you put it like that...

But what I meant was, the quality of the parts used on the respective guitars, the finish the playability etc.

They both just feel like quality instruments.
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Old 12-25-2012, 07:20 PM   #23
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I have a squire and a strat. Sound seems pretty similar, the strat is made much better, and has more weight to it.


What Squier and what Strat?
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Old 12-25-2012, 07:29 PM   #24
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I meant from a construction stand point, not playability and tone (those are subjective and between the two I have no preference).

If I was getting a luthier to build me a guitar

The following would be expensive additions:

-Inlayed headstock
-Full works binding
-Nitro finish
-MOP Inlays

The following would be cost cutting methods:
-Decal logo
-Dot inlays
-Huge wiring route covered by pickguard
-Bolt on neck
-No Truss rod cover
-Non recessed back plate
-Solid colour and poly finish.

Sure it's machines doing stuff like cutting out the headstock logo and the edge for the binding but that's still more time the body is on a CNC. Then someone has to spend time inserting the inlays and gluing the binding on.


Nope, you don't understand. I really don't think you understand where the money goes on high-end guitars.

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But it's not.

The hours that go into a strat are miniscule compared to any guitar with carved top. The set neck takes more time than a bolt on to put together.

Maybe if you compare a flat top Epi LP to a Gibby, or maybe a Epi SG to a Gibby SG, but the expensive LPs require far more work to put together.


I'm really not sure what you're trying to say here. That just means that to get the same level of construction on a strat or flat-top style guitar in general it takes less time. I am very much confused by what point you're trying to make with this.
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Old 12-25-2012, 07:38 PM   #25
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I'm an unabashed Squier fan. I have 7 Strats, 5 of which are Squiers. From Bullets on up to a Classic Vibe and then to a MIJ SQ-series from the early 80s.
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Old 12-25-2012, 08:13 PM   #26
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Generally, Fenders are better than Squiers, and the difference is both noticeable and worth it. There is some overlap in the cheap Fenders and costlier Squiers, but it holds true with most models. It's important to always play and compare the guitar you want to buy before you buy it.
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Old 12-25-2012, 08:21 PM   #27
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I would take an MIM over a CV every day all day. You guys are nuts.
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Old 12-25-2012, 08:25 PM   #28
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I would take an MIM over a CV every day all day. You guys are nuts.


Finally. Someone said it. /hug.
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I still don't get the point that you're trying to make. It almost sounds like you believe the only thing that matters in a guitar is the materials used, which is absurd. Even more absurd when I recall you arguing that tonewoods don't exist for electric guitars in the past.

Please, help me understand what you're saying.


That a MIM Strat has a similar spec sheet to the Affinity Strat and I was surprised by this. That's the entire point.

Have you never seen two similar things and been surprised?
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That a MIM Strat has a similar spec sheet to the Affinity Strat and I was surprised by this. That's the entire point.

Have you never seen two similar things and been surprised?


That's it?

That confirms it then: you do not understand where the money goes on higher-end guitars if you think that a spec sheet makes the guitar.
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That's it?

That confirms it then: you do not understand where the money goes on higher-end guitars if you think that a spec sheet makes the guitar.


I wouldn't call a £400 guitar high end by any stretch of the word.
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I wouldn't call a £400 guitar high end by any stretch of the word.


Higher. The relative term rather than the absolute "high". The money doesn't go on the spec sheet. Not past about £200.
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Old 12-25-2012, 08:40 PM   #33
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cv50 tele is pine.....same material original teles were made on for years. they switched to alder bc it held paint better. cv classic is alder.

cv classic tele has better hardware in every aspect than a mim tele. it has a better finish as well. the only thing better in a mim is the lable. the classic vibes ive played were all better built than most all mim standards ive played. not to say there arent good mims.




None of that is correct. Fender switched to ash not alder because it was a much better grade of wood than pine. No way the hardware, wood or anything else about a squier is better than the parts of a MIM.

There may be some decent squier Teles but I've never played one that I liked better than my MIM Standard.
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I would take an MIM over a CV every day all day. You guys are nuts.


+1

Also I don't think it's right to say the squier has better pickups then a mim strat. The mims are wound hotter and are ceramic where as squiers are more vintage styled and alinco.

Just preference really ...



And both have cheap electronics....
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Higher. The relative term rather than the absolute "high". The money doesn't go on the spec sheet. Not past about £200.


I absolutely agree.

They keep the spec sheet to a minimum. If they specified how many pieces of wood a body was made from and what grade of wood was used, where it was joined etc. it would make manufacturing more expensive. If an MIA Strat was spec'd:

"one piece grade AAA Alder" they wouldn't be able to make two or three piece bodies and would have a lot of waste wood.

but by simply saying:

"Alder"

They can glue together 10 pieces of shite Alder and they are still within the specifications .

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The Owner Bias in this thread is incredible.

MIM Standard Strats and Teles are 5-Piece select Alder. CV Strats and Teles are smatterings of whatever was left. Lowest grade wood. The Mexican Fender factory has a PLEK machine. The Chinese factories don't. MIM's come with Alnico V's, the CV's have the lower output and muddier Alnico III's. MIM teles now come stock shielded, CV's don't. 3ply vs 1play pickguards, 18:1 vs 12:1 tuners, etc... etc... etc...

The only people who I ever try to convince me that the CV's are better than the MIM's are owners of CV's.
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+1

Also I don't think it's right to say the squier has better pickups then a mim strat. The mims are wound hotter and are ceramic where as squiers are more vintage styled and alinco.

Just preference really ...





I love the ceramics in my MIM, great for blues and rock.
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I absolutely agree.

They keep the spec sheet to a minimum. If they specified how many pieces of wood a body was made from and what grade of wood was used, where it was joined etc. it make manufacturing more expensive. If an MIA Strat was spec'd:

"one piece grade AAA Alder" they wouldn't be able to make two or three piece bodies and would have a lot of waste wood.

but by simply saying:

"Alder"

They can glue together 10 pieces of shite Alder and they are still with in the specifications .


You still don't seem to understand: the spec sheet, no matter how precise it is, is less than 50% of the story when it comes to a guitar.

The build quality is one of the biggest things that makes up how good a guitar is and it's not something you can put on a spec sheet at all. For example: an Ibanez RG321 looks like it has much the same spec sheet as my RG1527 aside from the really obvious things like pickups and tremolo... but it wouldn't feel the same. At all.

That is what you're missing; it's not just the parts that make up the guitar.
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MIM's come with Alnico V's, the CV's have the lower output and muddier Alnico III's.

That's not entirely true. Some CV's come with Alnico V's and three ply PG.
CV 60's Strat is just one model.
http://www.fender.com/products/clas...tratocaster-60s
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The only people who I ever try to convince me that the CV's are better than the MIM's are owners of CV's.

this.

i must admit i do want a CV '50s tele. Because i just like the CV '50s tele spec better than anything fender makes that isn't an AVRI, honestly. but i think the hype about them supposedly being better than MIMs is actually stopping me from buying one - let me explain:

I have plenty of MIMs to compare the CVs to. If the CVs are as good as people say they are, why is it that every time i go and try one i end up thinking the one i get to play must be one of the crap ones? Even if i end up kinda liking it, i think "well, these are supposed to be better than MIMs, and this one just isn't, so i'll pass, and wait until i find a better one". But a better one just never comes along.

Have i just been exceedingly unlucky and found nothing but crap compared to what all the guys talking about how awesome the CVs are have found? or have those guys just dropped lucky on an occasional good one?

or, taking luck out of the equation, are these guitars just overrated?
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