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Old 12-27-2012, 01:30 PM   #1
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Good guitars for metal and drop tuning?

I'm currently looking to buy a new guitar, and have had some trouble finding one thats right for what i need to play. I need a guitar that is able to withstand low tunings (c, b, and a) and need help finding one that can play fluently with good note definition. Any ideas?
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Old 12-27-2012, 01:39 PM   #2
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Old 12-27-2012, 02:40 PM   #3
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Any guitar can tune low, but guitars with longer scale lengths, to my ear, have more clarity. Some disagree with that, but **** them, I hear it :P That said, the Ibanez RGD series is nice. 26.5" scale, plenty of clarity.
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Any guitar can tune low, but guitars with longer scale lengths, to my ear, have more clarity. Some disagree with that, but **** them, I hear it :P That said, the Ibanez RGD series is nice. 26.5" scale, plenty of clarity.

It doesn't actually work like that, string tension, not a longer scale length, is what give a guitar it's so-called 'clarity'.
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It doesn't actually work like that, string tension, not a longer scale length, is what give a guitar it's so-called 'clarity'.



Hehehe. See?
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Hehehe. See?

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Old 12-27-2012, 03:20 PM   #7
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Are you looking into getting a 7 string guitar, you can get that added range you want. Or you can check out a guitar like the PRS SE Mike Mushok Baritone which is a 6 string that's specifically built for lower guitar tunings.
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It doesn't actually work like that, string tension, not a longer scale length, is what give a guitar it's so-called 'clarity'.


Last time I checked, one of the results of a longer scale length was greater string tension......
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Old 12-27-2012, 03:26 PM   #9
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Last time I checked, one of the results of a longer scale length was greater string tension......


That's what I was thinking.

By the way TS, putting thicker strings on your guitar helps with drop tunings too.

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Old 12-27-2012, 03:47 PM   #11
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Get what you want- my Dean Cadillac has been tuned to CGDAEG for almost a decade, and its 24 3/4" scale. The C is a 052. No issues. I have a longer scale hollowbody in the same tuning.

That said, I'm having a custom guitar made for the same tuning, and it will be of a slightly longer scale length (25" or 25 1/2", I forget at the moment). But the reason for the longer scale length is economy- that luthier traditionally works in that scale, and changing that would incur some additional costs. (Its being made because it will be a HSS guitar, as opposed to my Cadillac, which is HHH.)
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Last time I checked, one of the results of a longer scale length was greater string tension......
... Unless you put on lighter strings.

The point being made is that it is the tension—however you get to that result— that matters, not the scale length.

OP, literally anything will do what you want. There isn't a single guitar in the world that can't be drop-tuned and 'good for metal' simply means 'not a hollowbody with single coils'. You need to be more specific; tone, bridge style, pickup and control style, etc.
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Why don't you check out 7/8strings from schecter and ibanez
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... Unless you put on lighter strings.
The point being made is that it is the tension—however you get to that result— that matters, not the scale length.

OP, literally anything will do what you want. There isn't a single guitar in the world that can't be drop-tuned and 'good for metal' simply means 'not a hollowbody with single coils'. You need to be more specific; tone, bridge style, pickup and control style, etc.


Agreed, but that wasn't a parameter in question.
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Longer scales will make that you need lighter strings to achieve the tension you want
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Longer scales will make that you need lighter strings to achieve the tension you want


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Agreed, but that wasn't a parameter in question.

The only thing the context of what Jeleopard suggested that would give a guitar more 'clarity' is it's scale length, when it is actually string tension, not the scale length that gives you more clarity.

If you actually read the rest of offworld's post, he points out that its the tension that matters, not the length of the scale.
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The only thing the context of what Jeleopard suggested that would give a guitar more 'clarity' is it's scale length, when it is actually string tension, not the scale length that gives you more clarity.

If you actually read the rest of offworld's post, he points out that its the tension that matters, not the length of the scale.


Yes dear, I'm aware of that, although I'd say 'string tension' is even a somewhat simplistic answer, since 'clarity' is also found (perhaps primarily found? I'm sure opinions vary...) in technique.

Don't take my word for it, ask Billy Gibbons....

As for the "If you actually read the rest" nonsense, go be a pedantic twat elsewhere.
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Yes dear, I'm aware of that, although I'd say 'string tension' is even a somewhat simplistic answer, since 'clarity' is also found (perhaps primarily found? I'm sure opinions vary...) in technique.

Don't take my word for it, ask Billy Gibbons....

If you're playing 9's in drop A, you're not going to have very much clarity in your sound, mang. Its not like the guitar setup itself doesn't play a part in it.
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If you're playing 9's in drop A, you're not going to have very much clarity in your sound, mang. Its not like the guitar setup itself doesn't play a part in it.


Which has better clarity, 12-60's in Drop B or 8-42's in E standard?
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