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Old 12-29-2012, 07:01 AM   #1
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new guitar for specific bands

after using my Squier Strat SE for some time i want a new guitar. because it does not play the right songs i want to play. this time im not buying a crappy guitar again so i have saved $800 for the guitar. i bought the roland cube 40xl a while back, so i only need a guitar and a good cable. the bands i want to play are santana, the ventures and white stripes. what guitar should i buy and why?
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Old 12-29-2012, 07:08 AM   #2
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Sorry to say but I don't think the cube will cover those bands very well... Regardless of what guitar you have.
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Old 12-29-2012, 07:10 AM   #3
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Guitars don't play songs, people do.

Nothing wrong with buying new gear obviously, but if there's a problem playing stuff it's not the guitar's fault.
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Old 12-29-2012, 07:15 AM   #4
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From what I know of those bands (I know nothing about The Ventures) they sound basically nothing alike, at least in terms of tone. You're probably not going to be able to get the same set up to do all of those sounds very well. I also don't think you're going to get either of the tones I'm familiar with out of a cube; they're good amps but I just don't think you're going to get Santana out of one at the very least.

Santana's tone is pure Mesa Boogie gain so to get close you'll have to set the cube to whatever the model of that is. You'll also want a guitar with a neck humbucker at least, play the neck humbucker and roll off the tone a bit so you dull the attack a little but you can still hear it - you don't want to completely lose it but it definitely wants to be less pronounced than it is naturally.

What I've heard of the white stripes is again a humbucker tone but entirely different - it's quite fuzzy and lo-fi so I guess a half-decent fuzz pedal will do it?

I guess the common element here is a guitar with a pair of humbuckers in it, something like a PRS Santana SE might do it? Musiciansfriend has them coming in at around $650 so I suppose if you went for one of those you'd have enough money left over for an EH Big Muff or similar fuzz pedal to cover the White Stripes tone would come in within your budget.

I really can't help with The Ventures though, I don't think I've ever even heard one of their songs...

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Agreed in principle but you have to admit a single-coil guitar won't cover those tones very well
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Old 12-29-2012, 07:39 AM   #5
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its not that i cant play, but the sound is just not right. most of the time it sounds too high
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Old 12-29-2012, 07:48 AM   #6
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its not that i cant play, but the sound is just not right. most of the time it sounds too high


Have you tried playing lower down the neck?
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Old 12-29-2012, 07:57 AM   #7
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sorry the word i was looking for was shrill. english isnt my motherly language. playing lower on the neck does not help.
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Old 12-29-2012, 11:22 AM   #8
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I was just going to say I think the english language is getting in your way from asking what you want.. I think you were asking, what guitars for $800 or less, would get you closer to those artists tone? I know santana plays prs guitars, Im not a big jack white/white stripes follower so I could be wrong but I thought he played semi hallow guitars and I have no idea who the other band is.. maybe one of the nicer epiphone semi hallows would do the thick
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Old 12-29-2012, 11:39 AM   #9
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Maybe try to pick up a used PRS se Santana and a used Marshall combo...I just saw a Santana go for 300$ at my local GC,so if you can find one around that price you should be able to spend 400-500$ on a Marshall combo
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PRS SE CU24 would be a good one to look at

Epiphone LP standard is also one to look at. Santana played LPs for quite a bit
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agree with those who said that the tones you want are a little to far apart to get perfectly with one guitar. the PRS mentioned would abe a good guitar to get though. the rest is in the gear more than the guitar. ventures requires decent clean sound with maybe a fuzz pedal and certainly good reverb. jack white uses a lot of old gear that has unique sounds so is tough to copy at times. santana is all about getting singing sustain which comes from a really good amp. also keep in mind that the technique required to play like those guys are all very different so that may be one of the reasons you don't feel you are getting the right sound.
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Anyone know what Fender model this is?
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Old 12-29-2012, 01:39 PM   #13
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Anyone know what Fender model this is?

You got to be kidding me

That is a fender Stratocaster one of the most popular guitars of all time
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i know that much yes, but there are diffent types of that guitar right?
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Old 12-29-2012, 01:58 PM   #15
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i know that much yes, but there are diffent types of that guitar right?

Sorry I miss under stood

It looks like a Standard with S-S-S configuration. Yes there are quite a few diff Strat models.
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Anyone know what Fender model this is?


It's a Strat Plus, they're not in production and more and even if they were that one has aftermarket pickups in it. If nothing else you can tell by the LSR roller nut; I think the Strat Plus is the only model that's had one as standard but I may very well be wrong about that.

This information is in the comments by the way, it took me all of 10 seconds to find it, if that.
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PRS SE CU24 would be a good one to look at

Epiphone LP standard is also one to look at. Santana played LPs for quite a bit


Buy a PRS SE CU24 not an epip*****.
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Beaten to it somewhat, the Ventures were one of the more prominent "surf" bands of the early years of rock & roll.*

Hard to get that surf guitar sound without singlecoils or splitting. So you either need to find a guitar that has splittable humbuckers or incorporates at least one singlecoil into the mix. That means that if you want to play Santana and the Ventures type tones on the same guitar, you're going to need some kind of HS, HSH or HSS selection of pickups.

You might be able to get close to the surf tone with P90s, but I don't know- never used one. If so, there are a fair number of guitars out there mixing humbuckers and P90s, like the Fender Blacktop Jazzmaster and the Reverend Double Agent.





* some of their bigger songs were:

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Beaten to it somewhat, the Ventures- writers of "Walk, don't run" and others- were one of the more prominent "surf" bands of the early years of rock & roll.

Hard to get that surf guitar sound without singlecoils or splitting. So you either need to find a guitar that has splittable humbuckers or incorporates at least one singlecoil into the mix. That means that if you want to play Santana and the Ventures type tones on the same guitar, you're going to need some kind of HS, HSH or HSS selection of pickups.

You might be able to get close to the surf tone with P90s, but I don't know- never used one. If so, there are a fair number of guitars out there mixing humbuckers and P90s, like the Fender Blacktop Jazzmaster and the Reverend Double Agent.


is a HSH also a possible combination, or only the ones you just typed?
and i really like the songs tequila and green onion

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