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Old 12-29-2012, 03:00 PM   #1
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Open Fret Buzz With New Strings

I've just got a Yamaha SF1000 ( ) which came with 10s on it. The set-up in all honesty was pretty standard, nothing to be raved about. My first thing was to put 9s on as that's what I use on all of my guitars. Here's my problem....

With 10s on, there was no buzz at all, I just didn't like the strings. After replacing them with 9s, the open B string buzzes horrifically, to the point where it's difficult to make out the tuning of the string. There's no other buzz anywhere on the neck, on any other string.

Any ideas of why? What can I do to fix this?

(I would go back to 10s, but I find playing lead so much smoother with 9s)
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Old 12-29-2012, 03:18 PM   #2
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What are you tuning to E,D,C.....
can you raise the B string at the bridge? (I am unfamiliar with your guitar)
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Old 12-29-2012, 03:40 PM   #3
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What are you tuning to E,D,C.....
can you raise the B string at the bridge? (I am unfamiliar with your guitar)


Tuning to E, so standard for now. I can raise the bridge as a whole but it's a T-O-M Les Paul style bridge so I can't raise each saddle individually, otherwise I'd have tried that
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Old 12-29-2012, 03:45 PM   #4
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Tuning to E, so standard for now. I can raise the bridge as a whole but it's a T-O-M Les Paul style bridge so I can't raise each saddle individually, otherwise I'd have tried that

You ment the SG1000 didn't you? no wonder I had no clue what a SF was.

The string maybe sitting too low in the nut slot. What frets is it buzzing on?
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You ment the SG1000 didn't you? no wonder I had no clue what a SF was.

The string maybe sitting too low in the nut slot. What frets is it buzzing on?


Seriously?? I definitely mean the SF, the super flighter? Google it :P

It's just buzzing on the open string, the rest of it seems alright apart from the fact that it's impossible to set a low action that doesn't buzz...pretty f***ed off with the seller right now
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Old 12-29-2012, 04:04 PM   #6
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Seriously?? I definitely mean the SF, the super flighter? Google it :P

It's just buzzing on the open string, the rest of it seems alright apart from the fact that it's impossible to set a low action that doesn't buzz...pretty f***ed off with the seller right now

I wasn't messing with you. I really have never heard of the SF that's why I thought your talking about the SG1000.

You said it did not buzz before you changed strings, so how is it the seller's fault? He probably has no idea.

what frets is it buzzing on? you never answered.

Like I said if it is the first fret it may be that the smaller string is sitting a hair lower in the nut slot than the larger gauge one. If thats the case it is an easy fix with a new nut.
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what frets is it buzzing on? you never answered.



Ah I misunderstood, yeah it's buzzing against the first fret.

That's not the soul reason of my frustration by the way, the set up was awful in the first place, neck was bowing and action at the 12th fret was going on 4mm, yet supposedly "set up for shredding"..

I'll have a look at filling the nut slot first I think, then replace if it doesn't work.
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Old 12-29-2012, 04:11 PM   #8
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Ah I misunderstood, yeah it's buzzing against the first fret.

That's not the soul reason of my frustration by the way, the set up was awful in the first place, neck was bowing and action at the 12th fret was going on 4mm, yet supposedly "set up for shredding"..

I'll have a look at filling the nut slot first I think, then replace if it doesn't work.

I would sugest you just have a new nut cut for your guitar if that is the reason. What would you fill the slot with?

I can understand your frustration, but maybe the guys you bought it from likes his action a little higher than normal, everyone is diffrent.

But he could have just put that on there to help sell it faster.
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I would sugest you just have a new nut cut for your guitar if that is the reason. What would you fill the slot with?


A few guides online suggest using a specific type of glue but I'm sceptical about that... I'll have to research a little more...

Another problem is that the low strings buzz between frets 7 and 10 (E, A and D strings) but not either side of those, unless the bridge is ridiculously high. Any suggestions on why? I've played with the truss rod and it's pretty much perfect but doesn't help in the slightest, if anything it feels worse for it.
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Old 12-29-2012, 04:23 PM   #10
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how do the frets look? are they worn ?
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how do the frets look? are they worn ?


They look absolutely fine in all honestly, I mean they're obviously a little bit flatter than they would've been out of the factory, but not excessively so. I've just run it through my amp and you can't detect the low string buzz through the amp so that's not too bad.

The B string is still definitely an issue though. After a few tests, it's only (approximately) 0.5mm too low in the nut slot. Would you have any suggestions of what to fill that with? I've never tried doing that before.
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Old 12-29-2012, 05:40 PM   #12
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I would suggest filling it with a new nut. A nut blank is cheap, even one with the slots already filed in are pretty cheap.
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I would suggest filling it with a new nut. A nut blank is cheap, even one with the slots already filed in are pretty cheap.


That's what I'm gonna do I think... Going to look at filling the slot in the existing nut but if it doesn't work then I'll just replace it. Replacing a nut is pretty simple I suppose? Again, I've never had a need to attempt it in several years of guitar customising and repairs etc, the nut has been fine on all but one guitar I've owned.
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Old 12-29-2012, 06:04 PM   #14
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That's what I'm gonna do I think... Going to look at filling the slot in the existing nut but if it doesn't work then I'll just replace it. Replacing a nut is pretty simple I suppose? Again, I've never had a need to attempt it in several years of guitar customising and repairs etc, the nut has been fine on all but one guitar I've owned.

all you do is de-string it, put a block of wood against where it overhangs, light tap with a hammer, then put the new one on.
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all you do is de-string it, put a block of wood against where it overhangs, light tap with a hammer, then put the new one on.


That's cool, what kind of glue would you use to fit the new one?

Also, is it safe to assume that a nut of the right width will also have the right kind of slots in it, or will I have to file those?

(Sorry for being thick :P)
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That's cool, what kind of glue would you use to fit the new one?

Also, is it safe to assume that a nut of the right width will also have the right kind of slots in it, or will I have to file those?

(Sorry for being thick :P)

Super-glue
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Super-glue


Awesome :P
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I wouldn't use superglue, as if you ever need to change the nut in the future, you might have a hard time removing it, and also you may put it on wrong the first time. Use a wood glue that isn't too strong. As for the question of nut width, measure your current one, and also the distance between the high and low E strings, as some nuts have different spacing, though the same width. Wherever you choose to buy a new nut from should tell you that.
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Old 12-29-2012, 08:21 PM   #19
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^that
Measure overall width, string spacing, and if possible how deep the slots are. I use titebond original (the red label) for just about anything on the guitar. And its perfectly ok to be asking these questions, its good to ask and do it right the first time.

http://www.graphtech.com Is where i'd buy it at, you can go cheaper but the graphtech nuts are a high quality products.
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Old 12-30-2012, 12:08 AM   #20
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Come on guys...
If it didnt buzz with 10s and it buzzes open strings with 9s... the lighter gauge strings are sitting lower in the nut slot and hitting the first fret.
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