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Old 12-31-2012, 01:18 AM   #1
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Please Help With My Pedalboard!

Hey UG, I've been looking for these answers and haven't quite gotten the reassurance I need. I've always been a guitar to amp only guy, maybe with a distortion pedal. But recently I ordered a lot of pedals and I want to put together a pedalboard. Here are my questions:

1) Everyone always talks about running a pedal into the FX Loop, do you have to? People say it is bad for your pedals to all run from your guitar into your amp. Is this true or can I just run my guitar through my pedals and into my amp without anything going wrong or breaking?

2) Is it bad to have multiple pedals on at once? I plan to always keep my Dyna Comp and ISP Decimator on. But when I use distortion or something else that could be 4 pedals on at once.

3) What is the right order to put my pedals in?? I already know tuner into wah first, but I'm lost.

Korg Pitchblack Tuner
Crybaby Slash Wah
MXR Dyna Comp
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Boss Chorus Ensemble
MXR Carbon Copy Delay
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Please help me and I apologize if these questions are stupid to you, I am just new to this. Thank you so much!

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Old 12-31-2012, 07:52 AM   #2
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It's not bad for your pedals. Whoever said that is talking about of their ass.

It can be bad for your sound though. Some types of pedals (typically time based) really sound much better in the loop.

All of my pedals are always on all of the time. There is absolutely nothing wrong with doing that, except that sometimes some pedals don't like to play well together. This also has a lot to do with how you power your pedals - if you don't have a good, clean power supply, you can have some problems with certain problems (typically a lot of hiss and noise).

There are some extremely common tendencies, but there isn't technically a "right" or "wrong" way to order your chain.

Personally, I would go:

Tuner -> Comp -> J&H -> OCD -> Muff -> Wah -> ISP -> Amp input
Amp Send -> Chorus -> Delay -> Amp Return

I am pretty strongly a "put the noise gate in the loop" kind of guy, but seeing as you only have on (I'm guessing it's not the G String?), and you have a ton of ODs, putting it after those might be more beneficial.
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Old 12-31-2012, 04:29 PM   #3
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It's not bad for your pedals. Whoever said that is talking about of their ass.

It can be bad for your sound though. Some types of pedals (typically time based) really sound much better in the loop.

All of my pedals are always on all of the time. There is absolutely nothing wrong with doing that, except that sometimes some pedals don't like to play well together. This also has a lot to do with how you power your pedals - if you don't have a good, clean power supply, you can have some problems with certain problems (typically a lot of hiss and noise).

There are some extremely common tendencies, but there isn't technically a "right" or "wrong" way to order your chain.

Personally, I would go:

Tuner -> Comp -> J&H -> OCD -> Muff -> Wah -> ISP -> Amp input
Amp Send -> Chorus -> Delay -> Amp Return

I am pretty strongly a "put the noise gate in the loop" kind of guy, but seeing as you only have on (I'm guessing it's not the G String?), and you have a ton of ODs, putting it after those might be more beneficial.


Thank you so much you answered it best. So I can run my MXR Carbon Copy Delay in front and it will be fine? I just have to mess with it to get the sound right?
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Old 12-31-2012, 08:58 PM   #4
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Well the problem with delay is that it gets all muddy and jumbled if you run distortion after it. That's why it's so commonly found in the loop. If you're running a clean amp and only using your pedals for distortion, then you can run what you'd normally run in the loop after them.

Though it's worth pointing out that pedals in front are generally a lot more subtle than when they're in the loop, so in that way as well it can be hard to get a good sound out of chorus and delay in front.
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Old 12-31-2012, 09:42 PM   #5
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A general rule of thumb I've tried to go by that I've read is time based effects and modulation go in the loop, everything else goes to the amp.

Ultimately it is your setup, and tone/sound goes above everything.
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Old 12-31-2012, 09:56 PM   #6
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Personally, I would go:

Tuner -> Comp -> J&H -> OCD -> Muff -> Wah -> ISP -> Amp input
Amp Send -> Chorus -> Delay -> Amp Return

I am pretty strongly a "put the noise gate in the loop" kind of guy, but seeing as you only have on (I'm guessing it's not the G String?), and you have a ton of ODs, putting it after those might be more beneficial.


I would say it depends on what amp the TS has. If it's a high gain hiss monster I would put it in the loop, but if it's a lower gain amp he may be able to get away with putting it out front.

What I've been wondering is if putting the decimator in the loop will be as effective at getting rid of the noise from the guitar and pedals as putting it before the amp. I used mine in the loop to get rid of the hiss from my 6505, but I have also heard of some guys using two noise gates, one before the preamp and one after.

I would suggest trying the Decimator in the loop between the chorus and the delay. That always did the trick for me. Then you can compare it's effectiveness with having it in front of the amp. Beware if you put it after the delay, it will cut of some of the delay repeats.
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TS: What kind of amp do you have?



I would say it depends on what amp the TS has. If it's a high gain hiss monster I would put it in the loop, but if it's a lower gain amp he may be able to get away with putting it out front.

What I've been wondering is if putting the decimator in the loop will be as effective at getting rid of the noise from the guitar and pedals as putting it before the amp. I used mine in the loop to get rid of the hiss from my 6505, but I have also heard of some guys using two noise gates, one before the preamp and one after.

I would suggest trying the Decimator in the loop between the chorus and the delay. That always did the trick for me. Then you can compare it's effectiveness with having it in front of the amp. Beware if you put it after the delay, it will cut of some of the delay repeats.


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Old 01-03-2013, 12:04 AM   #8
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experiment and find out what works for you, lots of fun =)

being a HRD I'd run all pedals in front, but thats my personal preference
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Originally Posted by Offworld92

There are some extremely common tendencies, but there isn't technically a "right" or "wrong" way to order your chain.

Personally, I would go:

Tuner -> Comp -> J&H -> OCD -> Muff -> Wah -> ISP -> Amp input
Amp Send -> Chorus -> Delay -> Amp Return

I am pretty strongly a "put the noise gate in the loop" kind of guy, but seeing as you only have on (I'm guessing it's not the G String?), and you have a ton of ODs, putting it after those might be more beneficial.


everybody does it differently, offworld did a fine job.

the only thing in there is possibly the wah before the dirt pedals. thats just me though. and if i think about it, i will try it later tonight.

but one more time everybody does it different ways. offworld had a solid post.
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