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Old 01-02-2013, 10:07 AM   #1
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advice on lp equivalent on a budget

hi have had some avice already but would like a few opinions as i really like the lp style this is for an upgrade as im playing more regularly now and what to upgrade from my yamaha erg 121

Budgets around £250 im in london and dubious of second hand guitars tbh heard some stories from friends of neck bodge jobs and all sorts!

vintage v100 / epi lp studio / dean evo 1000 / esp ec-50 / ibanez gart 60

possibly streatching to an epi lp standard
any heads up would be greatly appreciated cheers

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Old 01-02-2013, 11:47 AM   #2
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I only have experience with epiphone les pauls so I won't compare to the others!
I don't like the studio, I don't know why i've played it numerous times and it never really got to me
customs on the other hand are magnificent, especially the new "pro" edition (with the coil-tapping) they are really really really good
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Old 01-02-2013, 11:48 AM   #3
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The epiphone les paul special II is less than 200 bucks, and honestly it's my favorite guitar I own. The esp ec-50 is also a really nice guitar. I just personally blew it with mine by getting it set up for drop A - which it totally cannot handle. It has a slightly shorter scale than most guitars. So don't do that.
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Old 01-02-2013, 12:02 PM   #4
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If its just between those then I would pick the Vintage, followed by the ltd. Some questions you might want to answer so we can help you bettee though. Where are you located, what's your budget, are you willing to buy used? If you are you might be able to find a nicer lp type guutar, that you would be happier with.
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Old 01-02-2013, 01:00 PM   #5
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Updated initial post cheers for getting back im really not a guitar tech head so will be looking for stock tbh all the setting up and pick up and gain info etc gets a bit over my head when it gets indepth tbh! I prefer the looks of the vintage but im waiting to get to a few shops to try them out ones near me stock mainly stagg lps and fender teles strats and ibanez stc
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Old 01-02-2013, 01:30 PM   #6
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Staggs aren't particularly great, so I wouldn't recommend those.

Of the ones you listed, the Vintage V100 is a good buy and Ibanez's budget ranges are usually good value for money. Epiphone's lower ranges (i.e. like the one you tried linking to) aren't great, no experience with Dean or ESP.

As you're in the UK, it's also worth checking out Gould - they make some good LP copies that would be in your budget.
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Old 01-02-2013, 01:52 PM   #7
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Between those, I'd recommend the Vintage without a doubt. Try out a few and see if you like the feel of them. You can't go wrong.
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Old 01-04-2013, 06:28 AM   #8
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ive been looking and seem a bit worried that i think the same firm make encore and vintage and encore to me seem poor quality i undetstand its a budget model- is there a vast difference between the vintage v100 and epi lp standard as the standard ive found for about 90 pound more but could save at a push if its a huge difference
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Old 01-04-2013, 06:35 AM   #9
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ive been looking and seem a bit worried that i think the same firm make encore and vintage and encore to me seem poor quality i undetstand its a budget model- is there a vast difference between the vintage v100 and epi lp standard as the standard ive found for about 90 pound more but could save at a push if its a huge difference

Well, I'd say every brand has their low-end and high-end models. Go and play both of them, buy the one you like the most. A lot of people rate them to be more or less the same quality, some people say they're better, it depends who you ask. In the end it comes down to what you prefer playing. Although if your instinct puts more trust in the Epiphone, give that one a shot first.
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Old 01-04-2013, 09:21 AM   #10
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makes sense ill hopefully get a chance to try out some this weekend if i dont get roped into more work...... think its between epi and vintage just dont wanna get ripped off or pay the earth as im still pretty fresh...started playing a lot more recently and is the fixed neck better for sustain etc i get that impression but have only ever played bolt on

thanks again all for your input ill keep you posted

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Old 01-04-2013, 10:41 AM   #11
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Out of all of those listed, the Vintage is the closest to the real ones. It's thinner, doesn't have a maple cap and has a sharper cutaway but they feel really good and have the look. The wilkinson parts aren't horrible either so you wont have to swap things out like you might want to do with the other guitars.


The best thing you could do is try them out in person so you can find the one you really like though.
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Old 01-04-2013, 12:16 PM   #12
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The best thing you could do is try them out in person so you can find the one you really like though.

Always the best advice in any "what shall I buy?" thread.
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Old 01-13-2013, 05:20 PM   #13
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Tried the lemon drop, and gold top v100 quite impressed although unsure of the 'vintage' finish, Really like the neck action on one of the J&D models and also tried a Cort cr200 which had "tapped" pickups i belive the term was please correct me if im wrong so youpull out the dial and pickup becomes a single, just need to try an epi out.

I suppose what im asking is i liked the J&D how do the theystand up to epi and vintage performance wise as im still pretty new to the setup side

J&D LC2 £230 / Cort CR100 £210 / Vintage V100 £240

Once again thanks toall for taking time to give advice

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Old 01-13-2013, 05:51 PM   #14
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Links don't work, but the Vintage is probably the best option on that list. Unless I'm remembering wrong, the Vintage has a set neck - that by itself puts it heads and shoulders above the rest, and makes it the most like a real LP.

I believe the Epi Studio also has a set neck - it would be my second choice.

The Dean might be good. I'd assume it to be a better option than those particular Ibanez or LTD guitars anyway.

If you can get an LP Standard, that's a safe bet. For the most part solid guitars that you can keep around for a while.
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Old 01-30-2013, 02:53 PM   #15
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hi all got round to trying a few liked the v100 found it on guitarbitz pretty cheap just dubious about online purchasing the shop cant match price so may have to go with it as im on a budget anyone here have any probs with the tuners, neck or anything?? this will be my first set neck so not sure of what to expect really
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Old 01-30-2013, 04:30 PM   #16
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I own a Dean EVO from 2003- its is a very well made guitar for its price...no, period. Mine feels good in my hands, and it holds tune with a death grip. Even unplugged, it sings. After having a burr polished out of the bridge, I haven't had but a single issue with it: the stock pickups are hot, but muddy compared to guitars I've bought since then.

All that said, the Vintage may still be the better buy. I don't bash Dean, but I am a bit leery of their post-Zelinsky guitars under $500.

Still, for me, the EVOs always seemed to be an exception among the other entry-level Deans, probably at least in part because they never got hyped up by some popular guitarist's name being plastered on them. When you buy an EVO, there's nobody getting a royalty check, and they're not produced in huge numbers to satisfy that guitarist copycat market. I also own a TC Cadillac, too, but knowing what I do, if I were buying an entry level Dean again, I'd probably pick an EVO over a Cadillac (and a Cadillac over any of their other guitars).
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Old 02-05-2013, 09:54 AM   #17
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Hi again all looked around tried a few..... vintage v100, vintage lemondrop, cort cr100, cort cr250, j&d lc2 and hopefully the epi lp standard this weekend think im darwn to the wine red v100 and epi standard but my question is this

Is the epi worth the extra hundred quid itll cost me over vintage v100 in wine red i dont have experience with the mini hb pups and dont know if i could upgradethese to seymour duncans as ive been advised at a later date any help people??
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which had "tapped" pickups i belive the term was please correct me if im wrong
You are indeed wrong.

When you take a humbucker and remove one coil to make it into a single-coil pickup, this is called 'splitting'.
'Tapping' is when you have a certain portion of the wire within the pickup attached to a switch, so you can flick between low and medium or high output. It does not change a pickup from humbucking to single coil.

The terms got confused because splitting a humbucker drops the output, similar to tapping a single coil. Lots of people got the term wrong so guitar manufacturers started using the terms incorrectly too, so people would understand them.
It's similar to how 'tremolo' and 'vibrato' got mixed up.

I think it's worth pointing out that coil splitting is a very easy and cheap modification and is the most basic of 'extras'. It's not something you should base your purchase on.


Anyway, of the guitars you listed, the Cort 250, Epiphone and Vintages are your best options. Be aware that the Vintage 'lemondrop' is the same as the normal V100, but with the pickups wired out of phase (changes the middle position tone, quite specialist), and the Cort 250 is the same as the 200, you're just paying more for the flame maple veneer.
Of the three, in my experience, Cort and Epiphone have the most consistent quality control; the Vintage has the best hardware, but that Wide Red one has minibuckers, which have a different tone and are a different shape to regular humbuckers, so you need to make sure you like the tone of minibuckers before you buy it; the way the minibuckers are mounted in this Vintage, you can't replace them with anything but other minibuckers, and even then, not all minibuckers are made to the same dimensions. Also bear in mind with the Wine Red Vintage, you're also paying a little more for the ''gold'' hardware. The Epiphone has the second-best hardware.

So, in short, the Vintage is the one to go for if you like the unique features that Vintage offer; Cort is the best if you are buying blind, want a better chance of getting a guitar which isn't particularly flawed and intend to upgrade the guitar's parts anyway; the Epiphone is the best plain LP-style guitar, right off the shelf.
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Old 02-05-2013, 01:42 PM   #19
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cheers for getting back to me the fella at the shop told me there were tapped that if you puilled the pot dial out it turned to single coil anyway im not fussed and wasnt based on this i probably wont be changing the pickups anytime soon but may now consider one with regular pickups unless i can get some decent replacement minibuckers in the future.

im probably going to buy from the net as im on a budget and can save a hundred quid judge all you like i have a wedding this year so needs are a must and itll save me money for an amp!

im looking at the wine red from guitarbitz or an independent ebay shop as i get some accessories included for £209 from what ive been informed thats a bargain for the v100 only to decide on the finish what looks classiest the mini humbucks change things as youve pointed out but im trying to suss out if im really bothered

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