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Old 01-06-2013, 07:26 PM   #41
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Old 01-06-2013, 09:03 PM   #42
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Not a chance. After being beaten within an inch of his life and then nailed to one of those things until he died, I'm pretty sure Jesus would be happy to never see a cross again. That was three hours of his life he could probably have done without.

No, he's a Fender Jazz guy through and through. Maple fretboard; metallic red with black pickguard. Bone stock, of course. Jesus is not an ostentatious guy.
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Old 01-06-2013, 09:06 PM   #43
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This community is just a very small fraction of the Bassists out there in the world. The vast majority of everyone in my area still plays Fender.
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Old 01-06-2013, 09:27 PM   #44
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This community is just a very small fraction of the Bassists out there in the world. The vast majority of everyone in my area still plays Fender.

Yeah pretty much. Outside of a few metal guys playing Schecters, a random spector or two and some custom builds almost everyone plays a fender or a knock off of it. They have classic styles which will probably never go away.
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I like this thread, let's keep it nice and easy! I'll post my opnion tomorrow, now i can't!
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Old 01-06-2013, 11:33 PM   #46
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Thanks Spaz91.

Thanks for helping me see what is going on.

You proved that it was not just me.

I am going back to the Front alone, all by my myself, and looking at David King, Status, and Ken Smith Bolt-on Pin-ups while I wear out my BTB's.

Yes, the hardware in the 400 series have something left to be desired, but I will deal with that as I can. Will cost more than the Basses, but they are mine.
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Old 01-07-2013, 06:56 AM   #47
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I'm not a fan of the Fender price tag, but there are just some tones that just can't be nailed without a Fender. Fender has it's niche in the market, and were it a recent upstart it would have died in a hole by now, but unless you know another instrument that sounds exactly like an MiA Fender P Bass then it has it's place.
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Old 01-07-2013, 08:12 AM   #48
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This community is just a very small fraction of the Bassists out there in the world. The vast majority of everyone in my area still plays Fender.

I sometimes get a feeling that everyone has a Fender simply because everyone has a Fender, especially in the bass guitar world.

Like was discussed before, some of us have felt pressure to use Fenders out of familiarity.
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Old 01-07-2013, 12:28 PM   #49
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I sometimes get a feeling that everyone has a Fender simply because everyone has a Fender, especially in the bass guitar world.

Like was discussed before, some of us have felt pressure to use Fenders out of
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Fender being in the business to make money naturally so the earning potential of budget priced instruments, many shops stock lower end Fenders but very few the top end of the market so it is very difficult to asses the quality/value for money compared to many other up market brands.
I have yet to come across a UK store that stocks G&L L2500s, I acquired mine by accident.
Stingray 5s are equally rarely on display.
Having played and liked a Line 6 4 string bass I was interested in the 5 string version but no store would get one in for me to try.
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Old 01-07-2013, 02:37 PM   #50
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I am lucky that I do have a shop that sells the gamut on Fender and interestingly enough, Spector. Another shop in town is the Gibson authorized reseller. However, if you go over the hill to SJ, Guitar Center seems to have an odd mash up of Musicmen, lower end Ibbys and Fenders in stock. Since most first time buyers end up a place like GC, I imagine that Fender and Ibanez may have a bit of a foot in the door with beginning players.

I do agree that most shops carry the lower end Fenders and such. I'd have to go a bit out of the way to get someplace to try out say a Warwick. But as I've said previously, I think the options for intermediate to advanced players who are knowledgeable are better now. I also think with the evolution of music from the 60s - 90s, the music itself has pushed bass innovations and desire to move beyond the traditional Fender bass sound.

Fender still has a name, but like Ben said, its because they started it all. Still relevant, yes. Still has a place in music yes. Top of the heap? Up for debate.
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Hi Tams Happy New Year to you and yours from Me & Val.

We've just had a quite large music store open in Sheffield (whilst others have closed down).
The bass department is still quite low profile with few decent basses

BTW You want to look up Little Richard on You Tube 'Long Tall Sally' circa 1956, you'll see his Bassist using a Gibson Violin Bass that McCartney's Hofner was modelled on.
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Yes, some boarder on works of art, but unless you're hanging it on the wall for display, it's still a tool. If it feels right, sounds right, then it's relevant.
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Old 01-07-2013, 08:40 PM   #53
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As much as I enjoy Fender basses, it would be nice to see some new options such as ebony, 24 frets and EQs on the intermediate levels. I know not everyone likes ESP ltd basses and I've said this a lot but it's hard for me to want buy an expensive Fender when my ltd has a lot more to offer, in my opinion, for the same price of a MIM.
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Old 01-07-2013, 09:15 PM   #54
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I sometimes get a feeling that everyone has a Fender simply because everyone has a Fender, especially in the bass guitar world.

Like was discussed before, some of us have felt pressure to use Fenders out of familiarity.

I own my Fender P bass (which I now have to sell) cuz nothing else quite gets that P bass growl and tone, least not what I paid for it. The only others I've heard that match the growl and tone cost as much as a mid level used car. Sure others come close, in the case of Squier, damn close, but still not perfect.
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As much as I enjoy Fender basses, it would be nice to see some new options such as ebony, 24 frets and EQs on the intermediate levels. I know not everyone likes ESP ltd basses and I've said this a lot but it's hard for me to want buy an expensive Fender when my ltd has a lot more to offer, in my opinion, for the same price of a MIM.

Fender did offer a 24 fret jazz bass (jazz bass 24) with active EQ. They discontinued it due to poor sales.
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Just a fun fact about Fender in Japan.

Fender P-basses make up 50% of the total bass sales. While the J-bass is slightly lower 45% with Mustang and Jaguar making a meager 5%.

Why?

Fender just markets them at the right price and doesn't throw lawsuits around like Gibson or EBMM.

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Fender did offer a 24 fret jazz bass (jazz bass 24) with active EQ. They discontinued it due to poor sales.

This was a real shame, it was arguably the best bass they ever made. I think the problem was it was either jet black or some sort of boutiquey flamed maple. If someone is looking at a classic Fender shape then I doubt they want either of those things, the Select series will be next.

Speaking of ebony, why do Fender fretlesses come with an unfinished rosewood board? I think I'd rather have the ebanol board of a Squier! I think that goes from personal preference and is certainly a design flaw.

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This was a real shame, it was arguably the best bass they ever made. I think the problem was it was either jet black or some sort of boutiquey flamed maple. If someone is looking at a classic Fender shape then I doubt they want either of those things, the American Deluxe series will be next.

Speaking of ebony, why do Fender fretlesses come with an unfinished rosewood board? I think I'd rather have the ebanol board of a Squier! I think that goes from personal preference and is certainly a design flaw.

Three things.

1.They don't want their standard line instruments getting "exotic" woods.
2.Avoiding federal criminal investigations and seizure.
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This was a real shame, it was arguably the best bass they ever made. I think the problem was it was either jet black or some sort of boutiquey flamed maple. If someone is looking at a classic Fender shape then I doubt they want either of those things, the Select series will be next.

IIRC they were only figured maple tops in either tobacco burst or cherry burst finish. Great basses, even if some people had issues with the preamps. I believe they weren't selling particularly well and something about Fender deciding not to continue with Korean manufacturing. Fun fact, there was an MIA version, the FMT Jazz with a blocked neck.
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This was a real shame, it was arguably the best bass they ever made. I think the problem was it was either jet black or some sort of boutiquey flamed maple. If someone is looking at a classic Fender shape then I doubt they want either of those things, the Select series will be next.

Speaking of ebony, why do Fender fretlesses come with an unfinished rosewood board? I think I'd rather have the ebanol board of a Squier! I think that goes from personal preference and is certainly a design flaw.


The Jazz 24 came in tobacco and cherry. There was also some issues with pickup hum when you soloed on one pickup or the other. Everyone I knew who had one ended up replacing the pups.
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Speaking of ebony, why do Fender fretlesses come with an unfinished rosewood board? I think I'd rather have the ebanol board of a Squier! I think that goes from personal preference and is certainly a design flaw.


A Fender representative addressed the use of rosewood fretboards on their fretless basses: "Just like Jaco!" It also alleviates the problems associated with ebony fretboards - namely, the wood costs on average 12 times what rosewood costs, and even without fretting it, it is a bitch to work.

I wish Fender would offer ebony fretboards as an option on all of their standard bass designs, but that just ain't going to happen.

Also, my Jazz 24 CSB is stock. I've never had a problem with the pickups, but I almost always run them both wide open.
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