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Old 01-06-2013, 05:29 PM   #1
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Out-of-line strings?

I don't know if any of you guys might have come across this before, but it's a new one for me... On one of my guitars (Yamaha SF500) the high E string isn't as close to the edge of the neck as the low E string.

The nut is in the right place, and the slots in the nut as evenly spaced. I would assume that the cause of this is that the bridge isn't square, something done during manufacture that isn't something you can fix?

It's not that big a deal really and in some ways it's not a bad idea as it means there's very little chance of my fingers slipping off the bottom of the fretboard, but nonetheless it's keeping me rather curious..
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Old 01-06-2013, 05:41 PM   #2
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The high E isn't as thick as the low E, therefore it doesn't take up as much space, so it won't be as close to the edge of the neck.
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Old 01-06-2013, 05:45 PM   #3
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The high E isn't as thick as the low E, therefore it doesn't take up as much space, so it won't be as close to the edge of the neck.


Duh, I'm not that dumb -__- This is considerable difference, there's about 4mm between the high E and the edge of the fretboard, rather than 1.5/2mm on the low E.
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Old 01-06-2013, 05:47 PM   #4
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Does it effect play-ability? If it aint broke, don't fix it.... or worry.

Throw a few pics up
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Old 01-06-2013, 05:56 PM   #5
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If its a bolt on neck,
You just loosen the bolts slightly, then tilt the neck to whichever side needs more room. Then re tighten.
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Old 01-06-2013, 06:01 PM   #6
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If its a bolt on neck,
You just loosen the bolts slightly, then tilt the neck to whichever side needs more room. Then re tighten.


It is a bolt on neck, but surely it'll line back up with the holes in the neck anyway? As in, the screws will pull it back into the same place regardless of where I position it, without drilling new holes which there won't be enough room to do (and I wouldn't do to such a rare guitar)

The photos I've taken (on a crappy camera phone) are apparently too large files to attach -__-
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Old 01-06-2013, 06:20 PM   #7
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No, it wont pull it back. Just trust me and try it. I have done it on many guitars.
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No, it wont pull it back. Just trust me and try it. I have done it on many guitars.


Not that I don't trust it'll work, but will it not widen the pre-existing screw hole in the heel of the neck, and weaken the joint?
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Old 01-06-2013, 06:29 PM   #9
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Not that I don't trust it'll work, but will it not widen the pre-existing screw hole in the heel of the neck, and weaken the joint?

That will not happen. Listen to Explorerbuilder, his suggestion is spot on.
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That will not happen. Listen to Explorerbuilder, his suggestion is spot on.


OK, I'm just trying to get my head around how? The holes in both the body and the neck are surely going to realign to the same place as the holes are in the same place.. I'm not arguing, I simply just don't understand how that can move the neck :/
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Look,
the holes that go through the body are wider than the screw itself. That means there is wiggle room. It doesnt have anything to do with the holes going into the neck.
Since the holes in the body are bigger than the screws, that allows the screws to move back and forth in the holes.
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Look,
the holes that go through the body are wider than the screw itself. That means there is wiggle room. It doesnt have anything to do with the holes going into the neck.
Since the holes in the body are bigger than the screws, that allows the screws to move back and forth in the holes.


Hmm.. ok but if the holes are that big then the neck can just slip back.. whatever, I might try it but I'm sceptical :/
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Dude, really? Why are you so skeptical on PROVEN advice? This isnt as complicated as you are making it.
It wont slip at all once you re tighten them. Its not different than they way it is now, you are just moving it a MM or so to one side or the other. Dont over complicate things.
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Dude, really? Why are you so skeptical on PROVEN advice? This isnt as complicated as you are making it.
It wont slip at all once you re tighten them. Its not different than they way it is now, you are just moving it a MM or so to one side or the other. Dont over complicate things.


Alright, I might give it a shot, it's just that I can't visualise it working in my head. Not saying it won't, but I suppose it sort of makes sense now you've explained how a little bit :P
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Old 01-07-2013, 12:10 AM   #15
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the alternative, is you take it to a luthier who will charge you 100 bucks for him to use his screwdriver, and do the exact same thing.


we need to eat too, so it's not a terrible idea.
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Hmm.. ok but if the holes are that big then the neck can just slip back.. whatever, I might try it but I'm sceptical :/

Try it. If the neck does slip back into place(which I don't think it will, if it's tight enough), then you can get some thin double sided tape and put it on the neck heel to keep it from slipping. Or you could use an adhesive backed sandpaper. Either way, this is really your only option, unless you want to plug and redrill the neck holes.
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Old 01-07-2013, 01:00 AM   #17
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Let me clarify, the hole SHOULD be a bit bigger than the screws, a lot of cheaper guitars may have the holes threaded with the screws as the neck would be. Give it a try, you have nothing to loose. Except maybe five minutes, which you've already used anyhow.
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