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Old 01-08-2013, 12:54 AM   #21
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All guitarists are musicians. Not all musicians are guitarists.

i.e. one is simply a subset of the other.

Denial of this simple logic is nothing more than hi-jacking a word to create a sort of musical elitism based on personal taste.


What's wrong with elitism?
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Old 01-08-2013, 01:02 AM   #22
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What's wrong with elitism?
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Old 01-08-2013, 01:25 AM   #23
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I think of myself as a guitarist and a musician, but they're separate entities.

The guitarist is the technical aspect of my playing. How good of a guitarist I am is dependent solely on my technique and how well I can execute a given passage.

The musician is the musical aspect. How good of a musician I am is dependent on how I and others perceive the music I produce.
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Old 01-09-2013, 02:17 AM   #24
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All guitarists are musicians. Not all musicians are guitarists.


Agreed. Thread over.
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Old 01-09-2013, 10:14 AM   #25
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When I think of the word musician I think of a music-technician. So that being said I think that a musician deals with music writing and reading as it relates to all instruments. However a guitarist is someone who restricts themselves to guitar.

Question: Would someone be considered a musician if they could not read or write manuscript?

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Old 01-09-2013, 10:56 AM   #26
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Agreed. Thread over.


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Old 01-09-2013, 11:01 AM   #27
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I tell my students to first, see themselves as a creative expressionist. A creative expressionist that employs the language of music to bring about their vision. Then, to first consider themselves musicians. Musicians who just happen to have chosen guitar through which to express the language of music.

So, focus on fully realizing your creative expression as a musical communicator via guitar, and you're on the right track.
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Old 01-10-2013, 07:58 AM   #28
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When I think of the word musician I think of a music-technician. So that being said I think that a musician deals with music writing and reading as it relates to all instruments. However a guitarist is someone who restricts themselves to guitar.


That reminds me a lot what I heard wayyy back at a class in university (music history)...
People honestly used to argue something like this (in the late medieval or was it already the Renaissance period...it's 10 years ago, so my memory is kinda fuzzy?):
Guy who plays instrument = performer.
Guy who writes music = composer.
Guy who analyzes music & writes about the stuff people compose = musician.
We really see the elitism of the people who wrote about music in this logic.

Personally, I'm not sure. All this calling names is just a matter of perspective, isn't it? Music is my hobby, I play three instruments, write music, etc. but I'd never introduce myself as "I'm a musician" to a stranger because I'm not making my living with music but with something else.
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Old 01-10-2013, 10:16 AM   #29
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That reminds me a lot what I heard wayyy back at a class in university (music history)...
People honestly used to argue something like this (in the late medieval or was it already the Renaissance period...it's 10 years ago, so my memory is kinda fuzzy?):
Guy who plays instrument = performer.
Guy who writes music = composer.
Guy who analyzes music & writes about the stuff people compose = musician.
We really see the elitism of the people who wrote about music in this logic.

Personally, I'm not sure. All this calling names is just a matter of perspective, isn't it? Music is my hobby, I play three instruments, write music, etc. but I'd never introduce myself as "I'm a musician" to a stranger because I'm not making my living with music but with something else.


me neither. I don't buy into elitism any more. No matter how good I get or how successful my music career gets I will always think of myself as an amature.
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Old 01-10-2013, 10:40 AM   #30
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me neither. I don't buy into elitism any more. No matter how good I get or how successful my music career gets I will always think of myself as an amature.

until you reach this level

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the fact that I am at work listening to this...
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Old 01-10-2013, 11:06 AM   #32
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go to the part where he switches the beat, he gets so serious

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Old 01-10-2013, 04:03 PM   #33
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I would have to disagree with that statement. I've met 'guitarists' who I could ask to play quavers on an E power chord and they just look at me like I'm stupid. This one in particular I then asked to play an E note and he said he didn't know notes. I had to tell him to play 0 on the first string and 2 on the second string, and tap the speed for him before he could play it. Never read music, only ever read text tab. That is not a musician.

IMO to be a 'musician' you have to have at least a simplistic understanding of the theory that applies to your instrument. So if I ask a guitarist to play a power chord s/he bloody well better be able to play it, and if I asked a pianist or guitarist to read sheet music s/he better be able to read it (at least slowly).


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