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Old 01-12-2013, 01:22 AM   #1
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How can I test my theory?

I want to figure out just how much I know.

Is there anything online that you guys know of that you could refer me to please?
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Old 01-12-2013, 01:31 AM   #2
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>Learns theory

>Doesn't know how much he knows



Take a random song and analyze it.
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Old 01-12-2013, 01:51 AM   #3
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I admit I should've reworded that.

What I should've said was I want to figure out how much I don't know.

Thank you regardless.
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Old 01-12-2013, 01:54 AM   #4
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Old 01-12-2013, 02:03 AM   #5
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Old 01-12-2013, 03:20 AM   #6
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Old 01-12-2013, 03:39 AM   #7
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Do you know how to spell Maj, Min, dom 7, Maj7, and min7 chords with any root? Do you know their shapes on the guitar? Can you write a Bach style chorale over a cantus firmus? Do you know how to handle modulations to closely related and distant keys? Do you know your augmented 6th chords? Can you do a roman numeral or perhaps schenkerian analysis of a piece? Do you know how to analyze the structure of a rock song? A classical sonata? A baroque fugue? A dodecaphonic piece?

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Old 01-12-2013, 03:54 AM   #8
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Old 01-12-2013, 06:05 AM   #9
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Search for some music theory tests? As in, the proper graded stuff. See if you can find some. What you can't answer, you don't know. Then you'll know what to learn.
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Old 01-12-2013, 09:38 AM   #10
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Old 01-12-2013, 01:14 PM   #11
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Do you know how to spell Maj, Min, dom 7, Maj7, and min7 chords with any root? Do you know their shapes on the guitar? Can you write a Bach style chorale over a cantus firmus? Do you know how to handle modulations to closely related and distant keys? Do you know your augmented 6th chords? Can you do a roman numeral or perhaps schenkerian analysis of a piece? Do you know how to analyze the structure of a rock song? A classical sonata? A baroque fugue? A dodecaphonic piece?

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Do you know how to spell Maj, Min, dom 7, Maj7, and min7 chords with any root?

1 3 5 = maj triad
1 b3 5 = min triad
1 3 5 b7 = dominant 7
1 3 5 7 = maj 7
1 b3 5 b7 = min 7

Do you know their shapes on the guitar?

I admit not in every position for the 7th chords but I do know more than one position for each chord.

Can you write a Bach style chorale over a cantus firmus?

I admit no. Where can I learn this?

Do you know how to handle modulations to closely related and distant keys?

I can modulate to closely related keys such as from CMaj to F Maj or to G Maj by using the IV chord or the IV chord as a new I chord but distant keys are far beyond me.

Where can I learn this?

Do you know your augmented 6th chords?

I know my Augmented triad but I admit not my augmented 6th chord and I have no idea on how to use augmented chords in a musical context.

I can most likely find a resource for this thank you though.

Can you do a roman numeral or perhaps schenkerian analysis of a piece?

To be honest I'm not sure because it depends on the difficulty of the piece. I'm confident that I can do it with the modern music people listen to today but when it comes to more complex music such as animals as leaders. I don't know how to define what I'm hearing sometimes.

Do you know how to analyze the structure of a rock song? A classical sonata? A baroque fugue? A dodecaphonic piece?

No, no, no, and no. Where do people generally learn this stuff?

Looks like I'm more ignorant than I thought I really was.

I really do thank you so much for this post it's opened my eyes to so many new beginnings of study.


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The sections that I needed work on were. "More Seventh Chords" "Circle Progressions" and "Using Neapolitan Chords" Thank you

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Aeolian could you tell me what you had to learn when you studied composition? What did the teachers require for you to learn while you were in college?

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I'm underage and my music teacher doesn't want to teach me.


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Search for some music theory tests? As in, the proper graded stuff. See if you can find some. What you can't answer, you don't know. Then you'll know what to learn.


Do you have any suggestions on where I can get started looking?


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You can test your theory in Theory Kombat


I admit this made me laugh. If there were such a game that would make my life a lot easier.

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Old 01-12-2013, 02:32 PM   #12
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I would recommend investing in some books and checking out http://www.musictheory.net/lessons that looks a great resource for information.

Listening to lots of music will help and learning to count timings like knowing if its 4/4 or 6/8 would be useful.
I'm reading music theory for computer musicians which is pretty good but heavy going, composition for computer musicians looks okay too.

I've tried pdfs s but they don't beat a real book.

Applying this knowledge by analysing songs will help loads.
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Old 01-12-2013, 02:51 PM   #13
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I would recommend investing in some books and checking out http://www.musictheory.net/lessons that looks a great resource for information.

Listening to lots of music will help and learning to count timings like knowing if its 4/4 or 6/8 would be useful.
I'm reading music theory for computer musicians which is pretty good but heavy going, composition for computer musicians looks okay too.

I've tried pdfs s but they don't beat a real book.

Applying this knowledge by analysing songs will help loads.


I've found a pdf of both of the REAL books you mentioned and I will be digesting them shortly. Thank you I really appreciate it.


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Old 01-12-2013, 03:52 PM   #14
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I want to figure out just how much I know.

Test you theory by answering this question: What's the different between modes and scales? You should seriously answer that with a thread.
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Old 01-12-2013, 05:39 PM   #15
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Test you theory by answering this question: What's the different between modes and scales? You should seriously answer that with a thread.


Thats a dangerous topic to discuss because essentially a mode is a scale.

If I were to keep it simple then the difference between a mode and a scale are the positions of the two half steps.
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Thats a dangerous topic to discuss because essentially a mode is a scale.

If I were to keep it simple then the difference between a mode and a scale are the positions of the two half steps.

...and so it begins.
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Old 01-12-2013, 05:52 PM   #17
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I wouldn't look for theory tests online as it wont help on a practical level, just analyse songs and see how you go.
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"I know my Augmented triad but I admit not my augmented 6th chord and I have no idea on how to use augmented chords in a musical context."

A good example of augmented 6th chord use - the classical blues song ending: Bass plays E-D-C#-C-B and guitar plays E-G#-A-A#-B if we are in the key of E. The chords would be E, E7, A, augmented 6th that has the same enharmonic notes as C7, B. But they are really not used in pop music. And you don't really need to know that much about classical sonata structure, augmented 6th chords or Bach-style chorales if you don't play classical music.

So the question is, what do you want/need to know? What kind of music do you want to play/compose? Because I wouldn't bother learning classical sonatas or Bach-style chorales if I only played rock music.
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Old 01-12-2013, 06:48 PM   #19
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I wouldn't look for theory tests online as it wont help on a practical level, just analyse songs and see how you go.


Thanks for being positive Alan.

I'll take what you said and I'll be back for more once I need some more guidance


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"I know my Augmented triad but I admit not my augmented 6th chord and I have no idea on how to use augmented chords in a musical context."

A good example of augmented 6th chord use - the classical blues song ending: Bass plays E-D-C#-C-B and guitar plays E-G#-A-A#-B if we are in the key of E. The chords would be E, E7, A, augmented 6th that has the same enharmonic notes as C7, B. But they are really not used in pop music. And you don't really need to know that much about classical sonata structure, augmented 6th chords or Bach-style chorales if you don't play classical music.

So the question is, what do you want/need to know? What kind of music do you want to play/compose? Because I wouldn't bother learning classical sonatas or Bach-style chorales if I only played rock music.


Thanks for taking the time to explain that out to me.

As far as your question at the end goes Im sorry but that's just really hard for me to answer. The three main genres that I love most are Metal, Jazz-Hiphop, and Trance.

However I love all the classical sonatas and bach-style chorales just as much as I love those three genres. I want to understand these sonatas and find out what it is that I love about them so much so that way I can apply them to my own music one day.

That's why I want to know theory. To understand what I'm hearing, why it sounds the way it sounds, how to apply that to my own music and of course because of communication.

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Aeolian could you tell me what you had to learn when you studied composition? What did the teachers require for you to learn while you were in college?


lol jack shit. most of my time in college was spent in discussions with the teachers, rather than listening to lectures. they knew i knew my shit coming in, so i learned the most through discussion and exchange of ideas.

what college really did do for me musically first and foremost, however, was solidify my understanding of the concept of form. i learned to truly appreciate the simplicity and balance of the more traditional forms as well as the genius behind the counterpoint of the musical masters.
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