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What Scale is This?

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01-09-2013, 03:00 PM

Emperor's Child

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What Scale is This?

Hi guys, I'm normally ok with working out scales, especially when I have Guitar Pro at my side, but I'm a little unsure about this one...

Is it C Major?
Is it G Bebop?
Is it D Bebop Minor?
Is it D Bebop Dorian?
Is it something else?
...or just an absolute mess?

The 8 notes used are D,E,F,F#,G,A,B,C

Thanks

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The End Times - Solo.gp5 (5.8 KB, 23 views)

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01-09-2013, 03:05 PM	#2
HotspurJr Registered User Join Date: Jul 2011	Well, you might have noticed that D Bebop Dorian and G Bebop Dominant have the same notes. That's a giveaway that you can't really identify a scale by listing the notes alone. Where does it resolve? (I don't have a GP5 player, so can't help with that). But, I mean, it could just be a C major with a #4 added. It's not like you don't see that sort of thing all the time. You can use chromatic notes in almost any context if you know what you're doing - it's not always (or even often) productive to come up with a scale name to describe the collection of notes you're using even when it's uniquely possible. Where's it resolve?

01-09-2013, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by HotspurJr

Well, you might have noticed that D Bebop Dorian and G Bebop Dominant have the same notes. That's a giveaway that you can't really identify a scale by listing the notes alone.

Where does it resolve? (I don't have a GP5 player, so can't help with that).

But, I mean, it could just be a C major with a #4 added. It's not like you don't see that sort of thing all the time. You can use chromatic notes in almost any context if you know what you're doing - it's not always (or even often) productive to come up with a scale name to describe the collection of notes you're using even when it's uniquely possible.

Where's it resolve?

Yeah that's why I included the GP file... the underlying chords are D5 -> C5 -> B5 -> C5 so I guess it resolves to D but none of the other notes sound like accidentals.

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01-09-2013, 03:14 PM	#4
Xiaoxi sup Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Boston, MA (in spirit)	Goddamnit, there's no such thing as a bebop scale. Who the hell is putting all these ******ed ideas in your head? __________________ Modes and scales are dumb and useless. Stop learning them. No, seriously. Analyzing Brahms: Insights to Help Us Improve Our Music Nelsean attempting to pronounce my name lol I got Last.fm. Don't know why...

01-09-2013, 03:33 PM	#5
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01-09-2013, 03:34 PM

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It's just a C scale with an added flat 5

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01-09-2013, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Junior#1

It's just a C scale with an added flat 5

Doesn't that mean it's not a C scale... and it doesn't resolve to C...

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01-09-2013, 03:51 PM	#8
mdc UG's Mr Chord Man Join Date: Feb 2008	What key do you think it's in? __________________ *Sweet*

01-09-2013, 03:51 PM

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Doesn't that mean it's not a C scale... and it doesn't resolve to C...

Fundamentally, you don't know how scales work. That's why this is all so confusing to you. Go back to the very basics and clear up those misconceptions and this will become extremely easy to understand. But at the same time, truly understanding how they work also means the realization that they don't work in music the way you think it does, and it also means there's no such thing as a goddamn bebop scale.

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01-09-2013, 04:08 PM

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Emperor's Child

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Originally Posted by Xiaoxi

But Wiki says so

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Originally Posted by mdc

What key do you think it's in?

I would guess at either D Bebop Minor or an absolute mess.

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01-09-2013, 04:10 PM	#11
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01-09-2013, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Emperor's Child

But Wiki says so

I would guess at either D Bebop Minor or an absolute mess.

There are only two types of keys.

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01-09-2013, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Emperor's Child

But Wiki says so

I would guess at either D Bebop Minor or an absolute mess.

Wikipedia is the worst teacher in the world.

01-09-2013, 04:17 PM

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Wikipedia is the worst teacher in the world.

Touche! but Google says so too and Google is awesome.

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01-09-2013, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Emperor's Child

Yeah that's why I included the GP file... the underlying chords are D5 -> C5 -> B5 -> C5 so I guess it resolves to D

How do you get that progression resolving to D? That's not what I hear at all.

01-09-2013, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Emperor's Child

Touche! but Google says so too and Google is awesome.

If you're ill and google (or wiki) the symptoms, it will inevitably suggest that you have cancer. That also applies here for music. You have musical cancer right now.

01-09-2013, 04:36 PM	#17
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01-09-2013, 04:40 PM

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01-09-2013, 04:45 PM

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01-09-2013, 04:52 PM

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Goddamnit, there's no such thing as a bebop scale. Who the hell is putting all these ******ed ideas in your head?

...but i put the do bop between the ee wop and bebop!

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