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Old 01-12-2013, 06:56 AM   #21
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Musician is not a synonym for ''instrumentalist'', a musician is someone who creates music, who cares if he uses a guitar, a piano or a sampler/sequencer to do so ?
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Old 01-12-2013, 07:14 AM   #22
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Musician is not a synonym for ''instrumentalist'', a musician is someone who creates music, who cares if he uses a guitar, a piano or a sampler/sequencer to do so ?


This. Whoever said "musician = instrumentalist" = ******.
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Old 01-12-2013, 09:47 AM   #23
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Old 01-12-2013, 01:22 PM   #24
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Webster defines musician as:

Definition of MUSICIAN
: a composer, conductor, or performer of music; especially : instrumentalist

I think this definition is critical. In order to be defined as a musician, one must either compose music, conduct music or perform music.

I don't think any of us would argue that a composer isn't a musician. Nor, would anyone argue that a conductor isn't a musician. But, what how do we define what a performer of music is? When I play piano or guitar, I'm performing music. I'm actively involved in the making of music. Does a DJ perform? If he's strictly playing someone else's recorded performance, I would say that he's not performing. Even if he's mixing the beats from one song to the next, he's not truly performing. He's using a recorded performance given by someone else. He may understand the concept of beats per minute and mixing songs with similar time signatures, but he's not really a musician. Now, throw in a drum machine or a midi keyboard and I think we begin to have the basis of what we need to define the DJ as a musician - he's now performing music.

One more thought... Is someone who plays the spoons or washboard in a zydeco band a musician? You might say no, but by definition they are considered a musician, since they are performing. They may not be at the same level of musicianship as Vai or Billy Gibbons, but they're still musicians.

So, perhaps we should be discussing musicianship, instead of trying to decide if a DJ is a musician or not.
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Old 01-12-2013, 01:31 PM   #25
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the term "music" is also very subjective
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Old 01-12-2013, 01:38 PM   #26
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dj
Noun;
A disc jockey.
Verb;
Perform as a disc jockey.

musician
Noun;
A person who is talented or skilled in music.
A person who plays a musical instrument, esp. professionally.


They do not have the same definition. Therefore, they are not the same.
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Old 01-12-2013, 01:52 PM   #27
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I think you guys are messing a few things up.

the way I see it is:
Musician: a person who plays a musical instrument, (including Virtual Instruments yes, IF he is playing them live for instance)

Composer: is a person who write music to be performed, (usually classical or complex style music)

Songwriter: is a person who write songs/music of a rather simple context

Producer: a person who writes/programs music but doesnt actually play each instrument live

DJ: a person who puts music on turntables and manipulates it in a way or another. Also the guys who do sampling and stuff live.

Conductor: a person who conducts the orchestra/ensemble.

Now mix and match any term, if you write and perform then you're a composer/musician, if you are a DJ who also plays a piano then you're a DJ and a pianist (musician), if you conduct but also play the flute then you're a conductor, flutist.


A few words to describe each quality
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Old 01-12-2013, 02:10 PM   #28
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V pretty much sums it up. The term musician is flexible and there are many different types of musician. Would you call a terrible guitarist a musician and a brilliant disc jockey not?

The lines between a producer/DJ are blurred these days, as djing seems one way for producers to get their work out there and there are some amazing "sample" djs that use samples and loops to create music, which to me sounds more musical to me then strumming on a few guitars! Some of them record their own loops look at erb n dubz he plays drums has a rock band, produces d n b and djs his d nb live. Very musical.

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Old 01-12-2013, 02:12 PM   #29
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A way better question is: Does it matter?

The answer to that one is a straight up "FUCK NO"
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Old 01-12-2013, 04:16 PM   #30
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try and see yngwie make something this wonderful


Listening to Bonobo = good taste
(yeah yeah it's subjective, blah)
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Listening to Bonobo = good taste
(yeah yeah it's subjective, blah)


with bonobo there is no subjective

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Old 01-13-2013, 03:27 PM   #32
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No. A musician uses an instrument to create music. If a musician sets his/her instrument down, the music stops. DJ's use computers and turntables, to alter or manipulate preexisting music. Calling a DJ an actual "musician," is like calling a book editor, an author.
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Old 01-13-2013, 03:29 PM   #33
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No. A musician uses an instrument to create music. If a musician sets his/her instrument down, the music stops. DJ's use computers and turntables, to alter or manipulate preexisting music. Calling a DJ an actual "musician," is like calling a book editor, an author.


is a DAW not an instrument?

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Old 01-13-2013, 05:27 PM   #34
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No. A musician uses an instrument to create music. If a musician sets his/her instrument down, the music stops. DJ's use computers and turntables, to alter or manipulate preexisting music. Calling a DJ an actual "musician," is like calling a book editor, an author.


So Michael Angelo Batio is a musician but Aphex Twin is not a musician ? Cool story, bro.
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So Michael Angelo Batio is a musician but Aphex Twin is not a musician ? Cool story, bro.

Both of those people sound made up.
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Both of those people sound made up.

Aphex Twin is very real. Look up 'windowlicker' on whatever music player you use. Never heard of the other guy though.
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Not necessarily, in the same way that a guitarist is not necessarily a musician.
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DJ's dont create music or play an instrument
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Aphex Twin is very real. Look up 'windowlicker' on whatever music player you use. Never heard of the other guy though.

Windowlicker is overrated.

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''The instrument used was a MIDI-controlled Yamaha Disklavier that James claims to have programmed to play by sequencers rather than from the piano's keyboard. The Disklavier is a modern descendant of the player pianos of the late 19th and early 20th century, which were controlled by rolls of punched paper tape. For some pieces, James placed microphones inside the piano body, so that the workings of the Disklavier's mechanisms are heard in conjunction with the sounding of the notes, as a rhythmic counterpoint.''

Oh look, a paradox !
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