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Old 01-15-2013, 08:03 PM   #41
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Because a Strat is iconic, more so than any Super Strat. As cool as they are, they don't have the Hendrix, Clapton, Gilmour, Malmsteen, Beck, Eric Johnson factor.

Plus the tone, man. The tone.


U can get the Strat tone out of a SuperStrat, but a Strat simply is not ideal for metal. Re: the iconicness, Van Halen's FrankenStrat is more iconic than any standard Strat. When you see that guitar, you think of only one player, EVH. When you see a Strat you think of lots of players.

And SuperStrats have been played by most of the major players in the last 30 years: Vai, Satriani, Campbell, Batten, Sambora, Wooten, Sambora, Hatfield, Mustain, Morello, Friedman, Petrucci, Lynch, Bettencourt, Mars, & EVH, to mention just a few.
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Old 01-15-2013, 08:20 PM   #42
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U can get the Strat tone out of a SuperStrat, but a Strat simply is not ideal for metal. Re: the iconicness, Van Halen's FrankenStrat is more iconic than any standard Strat. When you see that guitar, you think of only one player, EVH. When you see a Strat you think of lots of players.

And SuperStrats have been played by most of the major players in the last 30 years: Vai, Satriani, Campbell, Batten, Sambora, Wooten, Sambora, Hatfield, Mustain, Morello, Friedman, Petrucci, Lynch, Bettencourt, Mars, & EVH, to mention just a few.


umm... wouldn't the fact that many players come to mind make the strat more iconic. lets not make this topic into a strats vs super strats war. both are fine guitars with many uses.
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Old 01-15-2013, 08:56 PM   #43
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^Not that at all.

However, the fact that SuperStrats have been played by most of the major metal players in the last 30 years: Vai, Satriani, Campbell, Batten, Sambora, Wooten, Sambora, Hatfield, Mustain, Morello, Friedman, Petrucci, Lynch, Bettencourt, Mars, & EVH etc. must mean something. It stands to reason that SuperStrats are vastly superior to Strats for metal; and after all the topic is Strats for metal.
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Old 01-15-2013, 09:04 PM   #44
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^Not that at all.

However, the fact that SuperStrats have been played by most of the major players in the last 30 years: Vai, Satriani, Campbell, Batten, Sambora, Wooten, Sambora, Hatfield, Mustain, Morello, Friedman, Petrucci, Lynch, Bettencourt, Mars, & EVH etc. must mean something. It stands to reason that SuperStrats are vastly superior to Strats for metal; and after all the topic is Strats for metal.


There you go, imposing your opinion on everyone, again.

Strats can be ideal for metal. Metal doesn't always entail 6505 levels of gain .

Malmsteen, Maiden, Fast Eddie, Jake E Lee, Hammett, Tipton, KK Downing, Iommi, all played strats. The list goes on.

It means that they liked the tone THEY got from THAT guitar over a normal Strat. Doesn't mean they're superior. You can't say that an icon used the guitar, that means it's better. That doesn't make sense, at all. Also, you think of Van Halen for HIS guitar, not for the SuperStrat look.

Strats are great for metal. I use my Charvette S/S/S for metal all the time, especially Maiden. But they're not the best for br00tz

Also, spell Mustaine's name right next time.
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Old 01-15-2013, 09:05 PM   #45
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I wouldn't use a Strat for rhythm guitars, but they have excellent lead sounds. They might well be the perfect guitar to cut through the mix during a solo, and they pinch harmonic with almost no effort at all.

That said, noise gate is practically a necessity.
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Vai, Satriani, Campbell, Batten, Sambora, Wooten, Sambora, Hatfield, Mustain, Morello, Friedman, Petrucci, Lynch, Bettencourt, Mars, & EVH etc.

Ask most people what guitar John Petrucci plays and you'll be met with "who the **** is 'John Patrichinnici'?"
Ask most people what guitar Eric Clapton plays and nine out of ten will be able to say, at the very least, "that black and white one".

'Hatfield' and 'Mustain' sound like a coouple of shady chancers making sound-a-like karaoke albums.


Jesus ****, this thread.
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^That really doesn't answer the question. The point is that there are SuperStrats that will do everything that a standard Strat can do and do metal much better.


Man, you're so good at derailing threads with these kinds of statements.

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^Not that at all.

However, the fact that SuperStrats have been played by most of the major metal players in the last 30 years: Vai, Satriani, Campbell, Batten, Sambora, Wooten, Sambora, Hatfield, Mustain, Morello, Friedman, Petrucci, Lynch, Bettencourt, Mars, & EVH etc. must mean something. It stands to reason that SuperStrats are vastly superior to Strats for metal; and after all the topic is Strats for metal.



Sambora has a signature Fender Strat and Morello is famous for his Soul Power Strat.
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The SuperStrat is iconic, most probably the FrankenStrat, but ask most people and they won't know it.

The Strat is the most popular guitar shape, which is why it's the most copied. It's just simply more iconic because it's been played by people who have been a lot more commercially successful using it.

That doesn't mean it's better or anything, but it's undeniably more popular in its unchanged form.

I find the Fender 'Quack' to be more or less unique to Fender. Others do it different, but Fender have their own, original tone.

To my ears anyway.
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Jesus ****, this thread.

This is how I feel right now too. Especially now that we are talking about which guitars are "popular" or "iconic".
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(a) hmmm.... well lets see just ask jeff beck what can be done with a non locking fender trem and get back to me. trem use isn't all about dive bombs ya know. a well setup fender style trem will stay in tune. (b) ok i admit that if you want to go all apeshit crazy with it then probably not but otherwise they do work. (c) van halen and hendrix both managed to write the book on trem use without a floyd.

(d) dave i play 70s and 80s metal and hard rock as well and my strats work fine for most of it. my Ultra 212 has anb active eq for the distortion channels and you'd be amazed at what kind of sounds can come out of strat using this. of course to each his own.


(a) agreed

(b) also agreed

(c) also agreed- but it's worth pointing out that eddie switched to the OFR about 4 minutes after it was released, so that might tell you something

(d) oh i agree- they can "do" it. My point is if that's the main stuff you're playing, other things will "do it" better.

I'd also point out i'm talking about vintage spec strats- vintage radius, small frets, 21 frets, low (5-6k resistance) output pickups, no tone control on the bridge pickup etc. A modern USA standard strat is closer to a superstrat than a vintage spec strat in spec, frankly, and I'm not really talking about strats like that (that's not to say you have a USA standard strat, you may well be doing what you do on a vintage spec strat, I'm just making the distinction because I think it's important).

Same with people who mention strats with humbuckers... they're (in effect, anyway) superstrats more than strats.

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Because a Strat is iconic, more so than any Super Strat. As cool as they are, they don't have the Hendrix, Clapton, Gilmour, Malmsteen, Beck, Eric Johnson factor.


eddie's frankenstrat is pretty iconic IMO. So are some of vai's jems or the green meanie, for that matter.

don't get me wrong- those old strats are awesome, too. But if you like superstrats they're just as iconic as strats.

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lets not make this topic into a strats vs super strats war. both are fine guitars with many uses.


agreed, and i'm certainly not trying to do that. both are awesome, and I have both.

I'm just concerned at people who are saying strats are fine for metal (with the usual current definition of what metal is- i'm well aware deep purple or led zep were considered metal in their day, but if a 14 year old kid who wants a guitar for metal comes along and sees this thread, they're probably not thinking of deep purple when they say "metal").
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I'm just concerned at people who are saying strats are fine for metal (with the usual current definition of what metal is- i'm well aware deep purple or led zep were considered metal in their day, but if a 14 year old kid who wants a guitar for metal comes along and sees this thread, they're probably not thinking of deep purple when they say "metal").


I still see Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple under the metal section at Mom n Pop Shops.

They're still metal.
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I play a lot of thrash, and I have owned one or two strats in my time. Can a Strat do metal? Yes. Can others do it better? IMO yes.
Given the choice I don't think I would play Metallica (older stuff) or Slayer with a Strat unless it was modded.

As far as Strat VS. Super Strat. Who the hell cares? Grab which ever you prefer and play it like you own the world.
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I still see Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple under the metal section at Mom n Pop Shops.

They're still metal.
Yes they are technically "metal", a term which means absolutely nothing unless you elaborate on what you're talking about because there is a wide variety of "metal" bands out there.

But I personally wouldn't go around telling people that I use "mom n pop" shops for a musical reference
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What's a Hatfeild?

If you meant Hetfield, he has never played a Super Strat?
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Yes they are technically "metal", a term which means absolutely nothing unless you elaborate on what you're talking about because there is a wide variety of "metal" bands out there.

But I personally wouldn't go around telling people that I use "mom n pop" shops for a musical reference


Mom n Pop wasn't exactly the right term.

But little shops that stock the good stuff you can't find in other places.
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eddie's frankenstrat is pretty iconic IMO. So are some of vai's jems or the green meanie, for that matter.

don't get me wrong- those old strats are awesome, too. But if you like superstrats they're just as iconic as strats.


Check two posts above yours my friend, I more or less already agreed with you.

EVH and Vai are of course iconic, as are their guitars, but some things have more of an iconic status.

Personally I think the Strat is the most iconic guitar, it's been played by the biggest artists, people who redefined popular music. And of course Eruption was massively important, but if you ask most people to identify a guitar they'll identify the Strat, the LP, the flying V. They might know that it's a type of strat but they won't know who EVH is, lots more will know Clapton and Hendrix. Hose iconic players played that guitar, which is why it's iconic. The bigger the star the bigger the icon.
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Remove "technically" please: just because things have changed in the genre doesn't mean they get kicked out of the genre.
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For the _______(I don't know the word, traditional? common?)____ modern metal sound, the gain stage of the Amp is more important than any part of the guitar.

If you have a 5150, you could play metal on a Gretsch.

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EDIT: How come whenever one of these threads comes up, it's always winds up with the regulars arguing about how terms are described and what a term actually means?
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Yes they are technically "metal", a term which means absolutely nothing unless you elaborate on what you're talking about because there is a wide variety of "metal" bands out there.

But I personally wouldn't go around telling people that I use "mom n pop" shops for a musical reference


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Check two posts above yours my friend, I more or less already agreed with you.

EVH and Vai are of course iconic, as are their guitars, but some things have more of an iconic status.

Personally I think the Strat is the most iconic guitar, it's been played by the biggest artists, people who redefined popular music. And of course Eruption was massively important, but if you ask most people to identify a guitar they'll identify the Strat, the LP, the flying V. They might know that it's a type of strat but they won't know who EVH is, lots more will know Clapton and Hendrix. Hose iconic players played that guitar, which is why it's iconic. The bigger the star the bigger the icon.

yeah i wrote that before i saw your post

i'd say it's just more because more players played a strat. hendrix is probably the biggest guitar name (not everyone has heard of him either, mind), but evh is probably in the top group of really famous rock players too.

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i agree. at the same time, though, when most people talk about metal tone (or we could call it "modern metal tone" if that helps), they're not talking about deep purple or led zep tones. Heck I've heard motley crue described as "classic rock" on the radio, lol, if motley crue is classic rock then led zep and deep purple certainly are
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For the _______(I don't know the word, traditional? common?)____ modern metal sound, the gain stage of the Amp is more important than any part of the guitar.

If you have a 5150, you could play metal on a Gretsch.

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the amp's more important, but i'd say the guitar is pretty important too, certainly once you have the amp.
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