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that's soul what lol
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Meh. Blues spin-off.
Parody or not, I still think his performance was genuine in that recording. There's a Guitar Player interview from 1983 where he talks about how his early inspiration in playing the guitar was Johnny Watson and Guitar Slim, and how they were just "yellin' it at you." Quote:
I hear a lot of that in his playing from that era. Just him beating the shit out of the thing, enjoying the noise, and trying to get some emotional message out but not quite being proficient enough to do it, which is something many beginner guitarists can likely relate to. This element is still present in the rest of his guitar playing, but he obviously managed to hone it into the deadly weapon it became. Last edited by TheHydra : 01-16-2013 at 12:06 PM. |
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While that's not what food was saying, it's not a bad idea... especially if you can't come up with a melody on your own. I wouldn't release a song like that, but that's just me. Quote:
Yes. The key to a good melody is repetition and variation. That book I recommended to you has an entire chapter devoted to it. ![]()
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However, I don't see this as an excuse to intentionally copy licks. If you write something and then find out, after the fact, that it's almost exactly like another song, it's up to you to choose whether it's unique enough, but I think that if you think "I'll take this idea and change it a bit," then you're just stealing the idea.
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Ah, yes. I think i'll do both - learn tons of melodies, play them in different keys, then write my own melodies. And when I struggle to come up with a melody, borrow the melody from someone else's song but modify it so much that it's unrecognizable compared to the other melody. Quote:
Indeed.. However, if one would change the melody so drastically that it's unrecognizable compared to the other melody, then it's no problem, right? You're essentially basing your own melody on someone else's melody but modifying it so much that it's completely distinct from the original. Quote:
This happened to me once. I composed/recorded a song and liked it, then my dad came in and said it was very much like a song he used to hear on the radio.. He even stated it was almost a copy. I threw the song away. As for "I'll take this idea and change it a bit", is it really stealing if you modify it so much that it has tons of your own ideas in it? This argument also reminds me of an argument that is frequent on art forums.. Whether you should or should not use photo's as a reference to paint or draw. Without using reference, my drawings were crappy. With reference, though, they were a lot better. I basically took a few photo's - in case of one of my paintings, a photo of a meerkat and a photo of a mage's staff, and used them both to create a painting of a wizard-meerkat. Perhaps the same approach will work well for me in music? Look up a few melodies, combine them and add a few of my own twists to it, resulting in something new. Quote:
Yup, that sure is a big difference! This, along with several other things i've watched and read, made me realise that I shouldn't care if my compositions are crap - with every composition I make, I gain experience and get better. I might as well make 10 crap songs, but with every crap song I make, I gain experience. This video is also very good: The part I'm talking about is at 05:50 Quote:
You're right.. The song IS simple, but with good mixing and better drums, it would sound a lot better. (And without that annoying lead guitar lick) Quote:
About 7 years, but i've mostly been playing covers and improvising on top of backing tracks or other people playing, or improvising chord progressions that others would then play lead guitar to. No real composing. Last edited by robbit10 : 01-17-2013 at 06:00 AM. |
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Absolutely. After all, it's only the same if it uses the same notes, aye? It's up to you how much to change before you consider it "new". Quote:
I did that once. One of the first songs I wrote unconsciously "borrowed" the rhythm from Zeppelin's "Communications Breakdown". Once I realized that I was bummed. Then I took it to my instructor and he explained to me how it was different; yes, the rhythm was the same, but I was in a different key, using the chords to a different effect, etc. So in his mind, it wasn't the same. Oh, and Kid Rock - "All Summer Long". Quote:
I'm in game development. Every artist I've ever worked with has used references. Some even paint over photographs. Whatever gets the job done...
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Yep, it is different indeed. It would be absurd if a song would be considered a ripoff simply because one used the same chord progression. There are only so many to go around, after all. As for the song I made then, I no longer have it, but I do remember that it had a melody that was apparently from some song my dad knew - might've heard it on the radio or something. As for the book suggestion, I seem to have missed that part of your post but i'll look into that book now, thanks! Along with some other music theory books. Quote:
While I AM getting a bit off-topic here.. Funny, so am I Well, not professionally. I basically made two games in Unity3D of which one is finished, and one game tech demo in C++ and SFML.What do you code your games in? And, erm, just in case we derail this thread, let's take it to private messages. |
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it's actually a rule here in MT that you need to derail every thread you post in, lest ye be banned
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food1010, thank you for showing me these videos! This is stuff I definitely needed to hear!
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Your song sounded like it could be in a video game. Yes, pretty generic by itself but if it was a background track of a video game scene, it would sound OK. BTW, change the intro chord progression from Em-C-D-Em to Em-C-D-A, it would fit the melody much better. The song had that kind of "battle metal" feeling. The drum intro was kind of cool. As I said, it would fit a fighting scene of some video game well.
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To reinforce what I said before, you just need to learn how to come up with melodies. You could use that exact same chord progression, come up with a melody, add some rhythmic variation, and you have yourself a song. Maybe not a fantastic song, but more than just some random riffage.
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Flying in a blue dream is Lydian, so you could experiment with that for the ethereal sound. Glasgow Kiss is Mixolydian. As for conveying something dangerous sounding, have you heard "Race with Devil on Spanish Highway" by Al DiMeola? To me, that song conveys that feeling. That uses Phrygian. The harmony of a song plays a big role in the sound too. I like to analyze chord progressions in songs to get an idea of how the mood is created, and look for patterns between songs. Now, here are some more general suggestions: Learn/experiment with different scales, try out different chord progressions, try out different types of chord alterations. You can actually use a melody you already have, and reharmonize it in different modes and chord progressions to see what sound fits for you. Analyze the melody, arrangemet, and harmony of songs you like, to get an idea of how they convey the emotion they do. You might need to learn more theory to understand some of the things you're trying to do or some of the songs you analyze. Teachers are the best bet of course, and books are good too. "Tonal Harmony" by Kostka and Payne is good for basic theory, "The Jazz Theory Book" by Mark Levine is good for the more 20th century tonal music ideas used not only in jazz, but also rock, classical music, and pop. One book that you might find very beneficial is "Jazz Composition: Theory and Practice" by Ted Pease. I also like Tom Kolb's books, "Chord Progressions for Guitar" and "Soloing Strategies for Guitar". He's also got a book on modes, and one on theory, but I haven't read them, so I can't attest to them. Now, that's enough to give you a proper headache! Perhaps even more important than any of the above is to try to create and develop sounds that are purely from your own imagination. People do this with melodies, sure, but try it with chord progressions too. When I do this, I'll usually write out the roots of the chords I hear in my head first, and then experiment with voicings and chord constructions until I find what I'm looking for. It can help a lot to put stuff into a program that'll play them back, so that you can hear what you wrote easily. Cheers!p.s. when I said teachers are good, I meant good teachers are good . Unfortunately, there are a lot of teachers out there who are good at teaching your basic rock guitar and blues or pop songwriting, but not much else. If you ask a question about a more complex topic and your teacher tries to convince you that it's unnecessary complicated, or a fringe idea that's not worth learning, then maybe look elsewhere.Last edited by 白い雲 : 01-19-2013 at 01:55 AM. |
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