Originally Posted by ch1ng_chung

all maj/min scales are the same if they dont have the extra stuff , just moved up or down depending on note

Originally Posted by macashmack

well yes, but you shouldn't learn keys like that.
E major - key signature 4 sharps: E F# G# A B C# D#
Eb Major - key signature 3 flats: Eb F G Ab Bb C D

Originally Posted by Mephaphil

I think he means the Harmonic Minor. Emphasize?

Originally Posted by Sir Anonymous

Buy the cheapest guitar you can find at a pawn shop and spend the rest on speed

Originally Posted by Dayn

How did you learn them, and how do you apply them? When I play the major scale on my guitar, I don't think boxes. I think 1 2 3 4 5 6 7, the scale degrees. I know what patterns the unison, minor and major second, minor and major third, perfect fourth, tritone, perfect fifth, minor and major sixth, minor and major seventh, and the octave all take. If you give me a set of scale degrees, I can play that scale perfectly the first time anywhere on the neck in any key.

I would say to learn different ways to play each interval. I'd say learn them in this order: 1, 8, 5, 4; then 3, 7 and 6; then b3, b7 and b6. And b5. Once you learn the major scale as 1 2 3 4 5 6 7, you'll know lydian dominant will be 1 2 3 #4 5 6 b7 and can play it instantly; you just alter a few notes of 1 2 3 4 5 6 7. And so on and so forth for any scale you can think of. 1 2 b3 4 5 b6 b7 for minor, 1 b3 4 5 b7 for minor pentatonic, 1 b2 b3 4 5 b6 b7 for phrygian, et cetera...

Originally Posted by ch1ng_chung

all maj/min scales are the same if they dont have the extra stuff , just moved up or down depending on note

Originally Posted by Mister A.J.

Dude, AeolianWolf knows what he's talking about.

Originally Posted by ch1ng_chung

Harmonic? Is that the version when you use a major but use a sharp five and emphasize the six, like a different version of a minor? The YJM scale?

Originally Posted by ch1ng_chung

But this info is useful, because now I understand the chord relations between scales and the chords, like a Dorian is a minor seven, and a Lydian is the jet plane chord, and that Diminished and Lydian work really well with each other

I have no idea how to apply this information though, unless it's within the realm of:

1. writing music
2. adding something extra to your improv
3. playing jazz or you hear something that sounds like the mode

How else can I apply this info? And what about those people who pride themselves over you because they can play a "major 7th add 10, minor third, plus two, imperfect 13th, over the (whatever)"?

Originally Posted by dietermoreno

I have this problem too of not remembering modes with out looking at scale charts.

The solution is to learn WHY the modes are constructed the way they are instead of HOW to play them.

I've found that this pattern reoccurs with everything in life, that learning WHY and learning HOW are two separate things where learning one does not guarantee learning the other.

Originally Posted by TNfootballfan62

People with a duck for their avatar always give good advice.

Originally Posted by Dave_Mc

i wanna see a clip of a recto buying some groceries.

Originally Posted by ch1ng_chung

So, I'm gonna get right to the meat of it. Been playing 2 and a half years, this summer I just learned all the modes and could play them off the top of my head, in my sleep, and could "see" all the degrees of the scale and even other scales that would fit nicely in with the key and scale in my head. I could connect them semi-perfectly, and I could switch different modes of different keys and make it sound really nice. And that's after 2 weeks of practice, before which I completely disregarded modes as dangerous Jazz territory.

Today, I felt like improv with modes, so I tried, but I found out that I didn't even remember the modes. I had to spend freaking 3 hours re-learning how to "see" the modes, the corresponding scales, and the degrees, and so far all I have down is playing the right mode shapes and seeing some degrees. Something is clearly wrong here. People should not forget stuff this easily, especially not guitar, and I should not have to sit down and revise my information every damn day just to remember what the hell a mode is.

Look at those people, Eric Johnson, Guthrie Govan, Malmsteen, Friedman, Becker, when's the last time any one of them seriously sat down and played through the modes...

"Alright EJ, you got this, alright, you gotta play through this, alright here we go! An Ionian, Dorian! Phagarian! Lydian! Mixolocrian! Aeolian! Locrain!"

In fact, when's the damn last time ANY one of them even practiced a scale? Johnson doesn't ever practice scales; I can tell from his playing, and Govan doesn't even need to practice scales, he somehow has managed to memorize every note on the fretboard in his head and play it. I have no idea how Friedman remembers all his weird Egyptian scales, but it's obviously not through repetitive repetition because he's a pro.

Now that I've discounted practicing the modes over and over as a method for the weak willed, how the hell do you memorize these modes? It took me a whole f**king 2 weeks to learn this, and I forget it when the season changes? Ridiculous.

Originally Posted by jazz_rock_feel

I seriously have no idea what the word theory even means. And even better, I'm not sure it matters.

Originally Posted by mdc

Me too. But it's ok, I'm in a stable condition, it just gave me the right trots, and had to hoof it up the stairs.

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