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Old 01-17-2013, 08:27 AM   #21
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From experience, I can say it CAN be learnt even if you have an unpleasant tonality in your voice. I'm not Ronnie James Dio or anything of course, but what I've learnt is to do what your voice naturally wants to do. My voice is hoarse and shrill but instead of fighting that I ran with it and now (because it seems that what my voice is naturally suited for) i sing in a growly/screechy tone. More suited for metal. You may have a soft and smooth voice so perhaps that would be what you strive to perfect. Overall, my point is not to fight your voice. Let it sound how it naturally is.
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Old 01-17-2013, 10:03 AM   #22
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If you have breathing and a fully functioning voice, you can learn to sing, and I don't think I'm being naive when I'm saying that. If I can learn anyone can (granted everything UG has heard from me is shit but when I sleep regularly and have confidence I can be pretty good).

You will be limited in some ways (such as your range; everybody is limited in some way by this) but I have never (since actually taking lessons myself) agreed that there are just 'naturally shit' voices, or that it is just a naturally obtained talent that you have to be born with.

Edit: This is all assuming you haven't somehow damaged your voice.

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Old 01-17-2013, 11:15 AM   #23
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I think so, but like all natural talents, it must be nurtured properly or else that natural ability doesn't mean a thing. Michael Jordan has natural ability, but if he didn't work his ass off, he would have never been a good basketball player. Singing is the same.
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Old 01-17-2013, 11:29 AM   #25
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IMO there are alot of genetics involved with being a great singer. I think anyone can find their voice. Some of the best singers aren't technically great.
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Old 01-17-2013, 02:49 PM   #26
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Singing? No. Anyone can be dedicated, practice, and learn the correct techniques for pitch and breath control.

Having a good voice? Yes. While one can learn how to sing with grwat pitch and intonation, they may still have a shitty voice. Having a great and smooth sounding voice is an act of nature. It's why only so few people make it big.


TS, if I were you, I'd try out for the band and see what they think of how you sound. There is a possibility you're underestimating your capability. See what others think first before you make a judgement.

Honestly, for the longest time I've hated my voice and the way I sung, and thought everyone who complemented me was ******ed, but more recently I've learned to appreciate my sound and ability, and have gotten requests tho join bands as a vocalist, something I never would have expected.
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Old 01-17-2013, 03:11 PM   #27
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Singing? No. Anyone can be dedicated, practice, and learn the correct techniques for pitch and breath control.

Having a good voice? Yes. While one can learn how to sing with grwat pitch and intonation, they may still have a shitty voice. Having a great and smooth sounding voice is an act of nature. It's why only so few people make it big.


TS, if I were you, I'd try out for the band and see what they think of how you sound. There is a possibility you're underestimating your capability. See what others think first before you make a judgement.

Honestly, for the longest time I've hated my voice and the way I sung, and thought everyone who complemented me was ******ed, but more recently I've learned to appreciate my sound and ability, and have gotten requests tho join bands as a vocalist, something I never would have expected.


it's funny when you're talking theory and bands and stuff. because it's really obvious you're ******ed then.
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it's funny when you're talking theory and bands stuff. because it's really obvious you're ******ed then.
Please elaborate. I fail to even see where the hell anything about theory is even mentioned.

My thoughts are that you're just being an annoying twat for the hell of it.
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Please elaborate. I fail to even see where the hell anything about theory is even mentioned.


Stuff is the important word. When you talk about that.
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My thoughts are that you're just being an annoying twat for the hell of it.
Looks like this is correct.
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Old 01-17-2013, 03:25 PM   #32
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Having a good voice? Yes. While one can learn how to sing with grwat pitch and intonation, they may still have a shitty voice. Having a great and smooth sounding voice is an act of nature. It's why only so few people make it big.


You're trying to discuss something highly subjective as an objective fact.

And what do you mean "only so few people make it big?" There's thousands of styles of singing and people are praising singers from all different styles and genres.

And how many singers are known for their great and smooth sounding voice rather than something else?

You're pulling crap out of your ass that you want to be the truth. It does not mean it's the truth.
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You're trying to discuss something highly subjective as an objective fact.

And what do you mean "only so few people make it big?" There's thousands of styles of singing and people are praising singers from all different styles and genres.

And how many singers are known for their great and smooth sounding voice rather than something else?

You're pulling crap out of your ass that you want to be the truth. It does not mean it's the truth.
If you had posted this first I would've been less hostile.

What I mean is, if a majority of people can tolerate a singer's voice, it's a good voice. Record labels (which granted, are on the fall but work for this example) want an artist that can create something a lot of people will buy, using popular artists from the past as examples. If hundreds of people can't stand to hear a certain guy's voice, the band doesn't sell.

Even without record labels, if a band is trying to independently promote their own work with a singer that sounds like a cross between Eddie Vedder and Patrick from Spongebob, they're not going to get very far.

Same idea works with toys, clothes, and food products. Why do you think Fruitopia was discontinued? So the head CEO's could get a good laugh? No, because it lost popularity.


One person not liking something is different from a wide majority of people disliking something.
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If you had posted this first I would've been less hostile.

What I mean is, if a majority of people can tolerate a singer's voice, it's a good voice. Record labels (which granted, are on the fall but work for this example) want an artist that can create something a lot of people will buy, using popular artists from the past as examples. If hundreds of people can't stand to hear a certain guy's voice, the band doesn't sell.

Even without record labels, if a band is trying to independently promote their own work with a singer that sounds like a cross between Eddie Vedder and Patrick from Spongebob, they're not going to get very far.

Same idea works with toys, clothes, and food products. Why do you think Fruitopia was discontinued? So the head CEO's could get a good laugh? No, because it lost popularity.


One person not liking something is different from a wide majority of people disliking something.


This does not really correlate with what you said earlier.
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I haven't seen anyone mention confidence, but I feel like that plays a big role in singing. When I'm in front of people singing and playing guitar, which is a very rare occurrence, I often hold back and don't feel confident to actually 'sing' and therefore I sound terrible. But when I record myself alone, I sound much better because I actually go all out because I know no one else hears it. So I'd say if you get your confidence down, you can sound good enough, but to have a good voice I'd say most of it is natural.
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Old 01-17-2013, 04:08 PM   #36
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natural to some, but if you work hard enough, you can train it.

Matt Heafy from Trivium used to be not so great, he worked DAMN HARD on training his voice and now he sounds great.
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it's funny when you're talking theory and bands and stuff. because it's really obvious you're ******ed then.


When Ian is talking anything it's really obvious he's ******ed.
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This does not really correlate with what you said earlier.
-A singer needs a good sounding voice in order to make it big.

-A "Good Sounding Voice" is something a majority of the general public enjoys. That makes money.

That's the correlation.

Granted, there are more elements in an artist's music that help make it successful such as good lyrics and simplicity/listening ability, but often times the singer's quality is the most considered as that's what most of the GP can identify with.
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You know, i actually like Ian. His posts are entertaining.
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You know, i actually like Ian. His posts are entertaining.


He's got a good chunk of Axel's adorableness, but with the addition of two things:

1) He goes so far to point out how different he is from Axel, when the two of them are almost the same in every way possible.

2) Unlike Axel, Ian has no valid excuse for expressing silly ideas, so it's even funnier knowing that he is completely serious.
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