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Old 01-19-2013, 04:19 PM   #81
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They don't make it easy to find all of the projects that failed, or which have little to no funding.
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Old 01-19-2013, 04:19 PM   #82
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And why is this bad?

He doesn't like the band therefore it's bad
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Old 01-19-2013, 04:23 PM   #83
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fuck bands who use kickstarter or w/e to fund $125k recording projects & fuck people who think that is cool or DIY.
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Old 01-19-2013, 04:24 PM   #84
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They don't make it easy to find all of the projects that failed, or which have little to no funding.

Very true. He just wanted an example of a band hardly anyone has heard of doing this successfully though.
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Old 01-19-2013, 04:29 PM   #85
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He doesn't like the band therefore it's bad


That is so, so very, not it at all.
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Old 01-19-2013, 04:33 PM   #86
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That is so, so very, not it at all.

I really don't get the complaints.

It wouldn't bother me even if I hated the band. They aren't forcing anyone to donate. People can give them as much money as they want imo
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Old 01-19-2013, 04:35 PM   #87
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I really don't get the complaints.

It wouldn't bother me even if I hated the band. They aren't forcing anyone to donate. People can give them as much money as they want imo

I think their problem is with people calling this DIY when it isn't.
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Old 01-19-2013, 04:45 PM   #88
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I really don't get the complaints.

It wouldn't bother me even if I hated the band. They aren't forcing anyone to donate. People can give them as much money as they want imo



And they're being a bit frivolous with their expenditures. It does NOT require that much money to record and produce a great sounding album.

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Old 01-19-2013, 04:47 PM   #89
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And they're overcharging for their albums. Especially when it's your fans paying for the album.
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Old 01-19-2013, 04:48 PM   #90
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And they're overcharging for their albums. Especially when it's your fans paying for the album.


But they get perks and crap. If people wanna wait for the album to drop and pay regular prices, then it's fine. They can.
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Old 01-19-2013, 04:52 PM   #91
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And they're being a bit frivolous with their expenditures. It does NOT require that much money to record and produce a great sounding album.

I don't think it does either. I just don't really give a shit how much they spend. So far over 5000 different people have donated. I really doubt they expected this much money to be given to them. They can spend as much money as the want as far as I'm concerned. It's not like it's all coming from me.

No one forced me to donate. I like the band, I get a vinyl and some other stuff, and it will probably sound great. Completely worth it imo


I don't care if it's not "DIY" or whatever. That means pretty much nothing to me.
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This is going to die out in about a year when people get sick of being charitable probably.
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I don't care if it's not "DIY" or whatever. That means pretty much nothing to me.


And this is where we differ. DIY means a whole hell of a lot to a whole hell of a lot of people. It's just something you wouldn't understand.
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And this is where we differ. DIY means a whole hell of a lot to a whole hell of a lot of people. It's just something you wouldn't understand.

That's what I figured :/
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But they get perks and crap. If people wanna wait for the album to drop and pay regular prices, then it's fine. They can.
Perks like paying for your own "special" album art? Perks like buying guitars for the band to sign and then sell back to you?

Where do I sign?!
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Perks like paying for your own "special" album art? Perks like buying guitars for the band to sign and then sell back to you?

Where do I sign?!


You don't, because you don't want them.

See how it works yet?
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Old 01-19-2013, 05:02 PM   #97
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Perks like paying for your own "special" album art? Perks like buying guitars for the band to sign and then sell back to you?

Where do I sign?!

Good thing you don't have to donate...
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I'm not overly concerned how other people spend their money, it just seems a tad manipulative for an established band to use their fans like this. I mean, they are the ones already supporting you. Why not front the money yourself (like all those bands who also don't have a label) and recoup your expenses after the album is released? They don't have the safety net of a label fronting the production costs anymore, so instead they turn to their fans to pay up. If the album sucks or sells poorly, they don't have much responsibility. Or any.

I wouldn't bat an eye at helping a band I liked record some shit, but $125k is exorbitant considering their circumstances.

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Good thing you don't have to donate...
That's not the point I'm making. I'm not going to buy this album regardless cuz I don't really care about the band. The point I'm making is that the incentives they've included takes advantage of their fans, while masquerading as fan service. It doesn't matter if "I don't have to give." It's not right for a band to basically con fans out of their money.

Think about this. Remember that "Pumped Up Kicks" song? That was recorded in the singer's bedroom. He thought he was just demoing, but that demo is the version you heard on the radio. If a top ten song can be recorded in a home studio, without a 100K budget, why does some deathcore or whatever band need that much money?
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I'm not overly concerned how other people spend their money, it just seems a tad manipulative for an established band to use their fans like this. I mean, they are the ones already supporting you. Why not front the money yourself (like all those bands who also don't have a label) and recoup your expenses after the album is released? They don't have the safety net of a label fronting the production costs anymore, so instead they turn to their fans to pay up. If the album sucks or sells poorly, they doesn't have much responsibility. Or any.

I wouldn't bat an eye at helping a band I liked record some shit, but $125k is exorbitant considering their circumstances.
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Old 01-19-2013, 05:34 PM   #100
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I look at it more as, "Hey you guys want to donate? If you do we'll give you stuff." I saw it as donating to them, not as buying an album.

I don't see it as a big deal since I would have bought the vinyl anyway.

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some deathcore band
I know you probably put that there on purpose, but it mad me lol




Also, I should add that I did this when they didn't even have 60 grand. I don't know if I would have now that they have over 200 thousand

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