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Old 01-19-2013, 11:49 PM   #61
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It's hypocritical.

I don't follow how standing up for a group of people who are being mocked is hypocritical.
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Old 01-19-2013, 11:50 PM   #62
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I dont know if it's a learned behavior or not, but when I was 8 years old I knew this kid who was absolutely effeminate in every way possible. He played with barbies, he spoke with a singsong lisp, he flailed his arms dramatically to express himself, and he later in life came out and said he was gay. I'm not sure where children learn this behavior, but this whole thing is a phenomenon and i've always wondered this.

It can probably go in with the whole is homosexuality a learned or genetic trait.
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Old 01-19-2013, 11:50 PM   #63
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I honestly think it depends on if they're on the top or the bottom. I've found that generally the more submissive, feminine guys, who usually take it rather than give it, talk with the lisp while the ones who are on top or bisexual usually sound normal, like straight dudes almost.


If I could give an example, Jefree Starr vs. Rob Halford.


Um, interesting take...
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Old 01-19-2013, 11:50 PM   #64
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I honestly think it depends on if they're on the top or the bottom. I've found that generally the more submissive, feminine guys, who usually take it rather than give it, talk with the lisp while the ones who are on top or bisexual usually sound normal, like straight dudes almost.

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Old 01-19-2013, 11:52 PM   #65
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i don't see it as hypocritical. privilege isn't opt-out yanno.

personally, i dig long and boring explanations so i'm all ears.

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Well, that's rude.

I had a friend in middle school who spoke in this stereotypical manner. Guys in our class made a habit of shoving him into the girl's bathroom during lunch. One day we were giving presentations in social studies, and he came out to all of us. He started talking about how he came out to his family and how he was basically disowned, and that they told him they would send him back to the Philippines to "cure" him. It was truly heartbreaking to watch this tiny twelve year old break down in front of entire class.

I think it's rude to ask someone if the way they talk is natural or something they do to support themselves and their sexuality. It's an inconsequential curiosity.
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Old 01-19-2013, 11:55 PM   #66
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I think that was rather an exaggeration used to point out how googling the question was the obvious, simple and easy answer.

But that's very sad about your friend.
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Old 01-19-2013, 11:56 PM   #67
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and just about every gay guy I've met has that kind of effeminate and stereotypically gay way of talking.
Do you not realize a ton of gay people walk by you and interact with you all the time without ever giving you any hint that they're homosexual?

I guarantee every gay guy you've met didn't talk like that.

Just because someone isn't straight doesn't mean they have to wear a sign on their backs proclaiming it.
The reason you think every gay guy talks like that is because it's what you can spot out in a crowd, but in reality there are plenty of gay guys with very average voices.

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I presume it must be a choice by the person, to identify themself as gay
This.
Because some people do wish to wear said sign on their back.

There are also some homosexuals that do the whole dominant and submissive role thing so they might want to speak more feminine if they're more submissive maybe?

and of course there are some guys that just feel comfortable talking that way
I have met my fair share of guys that I knew where straight and talked in the flamboyant matter.

but I can't say I really know where the whole flamboyant lisp thing originated from.
however it isn't some package deal with homosexuality

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but I can't imagine somebody's sexual preference being directly related to their natural voice.
This also applies for every other stereotype.
The only real thing sexual orientation is related to is who you're attracted to.

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Old 01-19-2013, 11:57 PM   #68
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Well it's not like this conversation is 'immoral' in any real sense. Some gay people being here to chat would make it better informed certainly, not so much moral.

what i'm referring to are posts like this:

Although I wonder at what point in a gay person's life they sit down and go "I really need to start working on that lisp." Like, 15? 19? Do they get a tape recorder and practice?

how do you think that makes a gay person feel when they're reading it? it's like many people here don't give a fuck how they are making the subject of their curiosities feel.
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Old 01-20-2013, 12:00 AM   #69
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One of my roommates when I studied abroad was a gay guy who talked like a cartoon of a gay guy. It was cloying at first but you get used to it, and not all of them even talk that way.
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Old 01-20-2013, 12:00 AM   #70
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Just because someone isn't straight doesn't mean they have to wear a sign on their backs proclaiming it.
They really should though, right?
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The majority of gay people I know do talk like that. However I know one gay dude who seems completely straight. He doesn't dress, talk, or really act gay. I think it's more forced than anything. But you occasionally run into straight guys who talk almost the same way. Who the **** knows.
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They really should though, right?


You know, the Nazis had pieces of flair that they made the Jews wear.
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They really should though, right?
Why, do you have the words "IM STRAIGHT" on your forehead?
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Why, do you have the words "IM STRAIGHT" on your forehead?

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You know, the Jews had pieces of flair that the Nazis made them wear.
Good job Nazis. We gotta identify who's who.


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Old 01-20-2013, 12:04 AM   #76
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how do you think that makes a gay person feel when they're reading it? it's like many people here don't give a fuck how they are making the subject of their curiosities feel.

Have you ever heard of anthropology?
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They had the right idea. Labels help us identify who's different more easily.

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Old 01-20-2013, 12:04 AM   #78
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Do you not realize a ton of gay people walk by you and interact with you all the time without ever giving you any hint that they're homosexual?

I guarantee every gay guy you've met didn't talk like that.

Just because someone isn't straight doesn't mean they have to wear a sign on their backs proclaiming it.
The reason you think every gay guy talks like that is because it's what you can spot out in a crowd, but in reality there are plenty of gay guys with very average voices.
Jesus Christ, fine, every guy that I've known was gay has talked like that.

Yeah, I'm sure there are gay guys with non-stereotypically gay voices. I personally haven't known any. I'm sure I've interacted with some during my everyday behavior that I didn't know were gay. I wasn't trying to say if you're gay, you talk like Ross Matthews.
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what i'm referring to are posts like this:

Although I wonder at what point in a gay person's life they sit down and go "I really need to start working on that lisp." Like, 15? 19? Do they get a tape recorder and practice?

how do you think that makes a gay person feel when they're reading it? it's like many people here don't give a fuck how they are making the subject of their curiosities feel.
Do you think I'm actually going to defend that post?

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Jesus Christ, fine, every guy that I've known was gay has talked like that.

Did you know they were gay or did you assume they were based on their speech pattern?
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