Cavalcade

I see those blogs have been working out really well for you!

Morphogenesis26

;-; y u do dis? y u so meen?

If you're wanting new Metal bands of any subgenre, I can give you some. Dodecahedron, Miasmal, Pharaoh, Atriarch, Dark Forest, Ascariasis(Fuck you Steve), Fallujah, and so on & so forth.

For bands that have made a legit new subgenre? I can't think of any, sorry.

Oh yeah, Slice The Cake are really good. c:

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ChemicalFire

I do enjoy a bit of Dodecahedron.

Though yet again the people I know who like Black Metal heard them and said "this is not black metal"

Do you understand my cynicism with metal heads yet?



I never claimed otherwise, but are they doing anything new?

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technicolour

uhh, my comment was directed at the conversation directly above my post...

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Morphogenesis26

I've come to a point where I give only nano****s to people about Metal classification. I've been listening to shit tons of Math Rock, Post-Hardcore, and widdly J-Rock lately, so I don't care much right now about what's Metal and what's not.

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technicolour

well, maybe they aren't? (I've never listened so I don't know), but I don't consider WITTR black metal anymore, and I still enjoy two hunters, it's not really that big of a deal.

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Morphogenesis26

I've never thought of them as Black Metal, honestly. I can see how someone would make that call, but it doesn't sound like it.

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ChemicalFire

They sound more like Black Metal than any other kind of metal.

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Steve08

Stagnation is terrible, yes, but what you are describing is essentially like painting a wall green which progressively grows darker while still being "green"... and then, just putting in a splash of purple for no real reason, other than that it's just different, so that's okay.Well, my views are essentially based on applying logic to music, instead of listening to something and then interpreting my emotional response to that, which is what you and just about everyone else does.

Metal has been based around the interplay and resurgence of melodies since Black Sabbath, as opposed to transitions between fixed points. Slayer have it, Celtic Frost have it, even Motorhead. So, it's not me really deciding this arbitrarily, it's me listening to all these older bands which defined the style, and then listening to newer bands which help continue (not just reproduce) that style, and then realizing that all of these very new bands (by this, I mean metalcore, and "progressive metal" which is djent... which, itself, is really just a stylistic variation of metalcore), farrrr more often than not, just do not have much in common with Heavy Metal other than timbre and some tangential aspects of songwriting. It's something which is, like, plainly obvious to those who make an effort to understand Metal's collective history, as opposed to only metal released in the past, say, 10 years, instead of the past 43 (though, of course, I don't expect you to care about Metal history as much as I do, but this conflict of perspective is more or less the issue at the crux of this debate).This argument transposed:

If X = X, yet is actually Y, is X still Y? That doesn't make any sense, so clearly the answer here is no. BMTH is the band they are because they write vapid post-hardcore music which is aesthetically "hard" but moves, speaks and progresses as if it were rock/pop music. Their music doesn't "sound" like dark emotion, and death, which is what using motifs is all about-- selecting melodies that are indicative of a certain emotion so that you have context/direction, repeating those melodies with slight variations to provide variation, and assembling it all in a way that does not compromise the initial intent of those basic motifs, and so that each part is, in reality, flowing and unified, not flowing and unified in the mind of the listener themselves.

There is extremely dark Classical music which is absolutely representative of the sort of composition you have described, and certainly isn't Metal, and I like that, so... there is your answer, I guess.

More than that, it's not just about the song's structural traits, but also the artist's intent and how well that music fulfills that intent. So, if BMTH were well-written music, I would probably listen to them, think "this is well-written music" and leave it at that, because it's not as if I only listen to Metal. I like all different kinds of music, though I listen to some for entirely different reasons than that which I apply to Metal, Progressive Rock and Classical. It's all about acknowledging that there is such a thing as quality in music and then forming standards by which that quality can be measured (cohesion/focus/ambition/effectiveness, as examples).OK:



We have what appears to be merely well-executed Demilich (a superb band who I would absolutely recommend listening to) worship, creating death metal with the intent of presenting an otherworldly atmosphere and using fairly atypical, almost exotic note choice, and yet, in Chthe'ilist, you also have a pronounced influence from doom metal and Timeghoul in the presence of slow, extended, darkly consonant passages, something never touched upon by Demilich. And as far as aesthetic relation is concerned (though this means little), there's also keyboards and virtuosic guitar solos in Chthe'ilist, which is nowhere in Demilich.

In addition to this, there is more emphasis on creating a sense of flowing direction within the individual riffs/melodic phrases before the accompaniment (drums/vocals) of those riffs also change to create an entirely new section. It's clearly music written out of a reverence for the ancient, and yet speaks with its own distinct voice, and is, of course, covered in motifs (so the parts are unified, and work towards a goal-- instead of the lack of unity being parts being the goal). One of the absolute best modern death metal bands for sure, and the best death metal release of 2012 (the average metal tourist would probably say Cattle Decapitation or Aborted instead-- an absurd notion).

Hopefully that will help put everything into perspective better.

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Nietsche

That's funny, you crack me up Morpho.

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Steve08

I must confess that I myself am fairly indifferent to this band. Could you provide an example of their most noteworthy material for me?

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Nietsche

The Queensrÿche EP is one of the first power metal records. So that.



Also The Warning and Rage for Order. Things kind of went a bit, um, downhill after that, admittedly. But Geoff Tate's voice is too good for me to permit anyone laying down a universal 'QR suck' statement

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Supersonic-95

I think metal is dying out - most people have socially advanced since then, and the metal culture is obsolete now (well at least in the UK anyway). Metal music died out in the 90's. I don't think metal was even in the top 10 charts since the 90's. But I'm sure there will be some indie metal bands around. Doom, Power metal, death - 99% of the population when they these terms just think "That music is for angry kids on an Xbox 11 out of 12 hours a day, and the other hour is spent injecting narcotics and having a shower once every millennium." And most people wouldn't want to be associated with that image - it's not cool. Don't reply back getting abusive with me, I'm just stating facts, not what I think. I'm stating what the POPULATION think about it. Not people on this forum, or even musicians in general. I mean don't get me wrong, I don't ever listen to metal, but if you personally love it, then that's great, for you. I don't think metal has ever been popular in the UK, it's mainly an american thing. The closest thing to metal in the UK is motorhead, but it isn't metal at all, more like hard rock. UK has the best music anyway like The Stone Roses, Oasis, The Beatles, Coldplay, Blur etc... I'd say Canada has the worst!

Steve08

Huh, that song was actually quite good compared to everything else I've heard by them (mostly Operation Mindcrime), so cheers for that. And I have to say, vocals mean next to nothing to me but yeah, the dude is (was?) an excellent vocalist. He reminds me of Halford, though with a higher singing voice.No.lolHeavy metal is not for "most people".

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Supersonic demonstrating proper social etiquette for the outcasts of the Metal forum.

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Supersonic-95

Stop crying your heart out, love. I have stated a fact. You fail to understand that all of the stars are fading a way - this isn't too bad so please try not to worry, I am sure that there is a chance that you could see them some day. So I would advise you to take what you need out of the music, then be on your way to your guitar and then I would suggest that you stop crying your heart out.

Morphogenesis26

Does Metal have to be on the top 10 charts? Jazz isn't on the top 10 charts, neither is Classical, so are these forms of music obsolete and need not be listened to?

As for the Xbobx comment; I don't own an Xbox 'cause I hate the things, I do, however, own a Ps3 and play CoD and Battlefield on it from time to time. When I play those games, games which people base that stereotype on, it's usually Pop music they have playing and rarely ever play anything that has any semblance of Metal. You also pulled "99%" out of your ass, so don't call that a fact.

Pretty sure you guys have plenty of Metal, mostly because Europe churned out some of the best Metal in it's history.

Also, to state that your country has the "best" music scene is ridiculous.

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Haytham

Yeah, pretty clear they're just fishing around at this point.

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