Supersonic-95

You little whipper snapper! How you dare call me a troll.

ChemicalFire

Turns out I don't have any... I seem to of been neglecting my metal collection for too long to have anything good

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Kytokinesis

woot this again.

Morphogenesis26

I looked through this guy's posts and I can safely say that he's a troll. Just ignore him from now on.

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Supersonic-95

You are the one with the bad reputation around here.

crazysam23_Atax

Actually, Morph has a pretty great rep, I'd say. He's rather even keeled, from what I've seen. Also, I can say he educated me on what Deathcore and Metalcore (aka "Metallic Hardcore" [not the shitty Nu-Metalcore]) truly are.

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One of my favorite Melodic Death Metal songs.

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technicolour

and a bunch of Nokturnus songs.

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Morphogenesis26

I can be scatterbrained at times and post without thinking in threads sometimes, but I wouldn't say I have a bad reputation.

And why thank you, Sam. You like Arch Enemy? I've never gotten to anything by them except the album Stigmata, if you haven't heard it yet you should check it out.

Arch Enemy - Stigmata


God, I love the flutter on the guitar in that song.

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crazysam23_Atax

You're welcome.


I'm listening to this now; I'm going to buy this album when I can. Damn, the delay and wah on the leads are beautiful.

And I see what you mean about the flutter. Good shit!

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helltothee

What about Cauldron or Baroness? Not particularly new-school, I guess, but very good, and modern.

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Supersonic-95

Soft petal, from now on. Keep your silly daft gob shut. Nobody cares about what you say. You're a crap guitarist and that's the end of that.

ChemicalFire

Now you're just flaming people.

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crazysam23_Atax

I guess you would know...

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Haytham

You ain't nothin' but a soft petal
Cryin' all the time

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crazysam23_Atax

I would agree that most of them do not. But I also would state, personally, if a band doesn't focus on composition to some degree (and Avante-Garde influenced bands like UneXpect and BTBAM I would say still do focus on composition, even if it's oddly done in their cases), then I won't listen to them.

There's no reason why a band that just throws around polyrhythms would be something interesting to me, which is what a lot of supposedly "prog" metal bands do. To me, good composition is interesting use of rhythm and melody, to create a harmonic whole which is aesthetically interesting. That's why I'm equally okay with listening to Bach, as I am with listening to Periphery. I find that, for me, both fit that definition, although (obviously) in vastly different ways.

Not comparing Bach and Periphery, btw. They're completely different and comparing them would be silly and unproductive. Merely saying, I enjoy listening to both because I like their composition.


Wait, wait, wait...

1st off, even if you dislike it, Djent happened just what? 4 years ago? (And, yes, I agree that 90% of Djent bands and modern Progressive bands suck. Though, that other 10% are absolutely worth it.) Various examples of extreme metal also have pushed the boundaries of "defined Metal". You can be as elitist as you like, but acting like nothing new has happened in 25 years is just wrong, from a factual standpoint.

2nd off, just because "ALL the aesthetic innovations in metal have already occurred" (a statement which I don't totally agree with, btw), Metal musicians should stop trying to do unique and interesting things with Metal music? That's like saying, "Because all food has been invented, you shouldn't come up with new recipes anymore". I mean, really...if everyone took this attitude in music, music would just get boring as shit.
Not only that, but you're acting like subtle changes are irrelevant.

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Well, myself, and many others would disagree that the 10% of good djent bands are worth it, and furthermore those 10% aren't very interesting either. As far as I've heard the general framework of djent is odd time chugging with sweeps over top.

I don't think Steve is implying that nothing new has happened in metal, however, many of these so called progressions labelled by others aren't real progression, eg: adding a banjo to a metal song. That's not actually changing anything significant. Real progression like I already said seems (to me anyways) to be much more subtle, again just gonna use Antediluvian as an example cause they're the first band that springs to mind. Metal musicians shouldn't be focused on just slapping different styles of contemporary music together, so much as focus on song form or flow.

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eazy-c

The metal community at large is incredibly conservative (and pretty stupid, let's not kid ourselves), so it's hardly surpising that the music develops at a relatively slow pace, or else more radical developments are shunned as 'not-metal!'. I still think there's still plenty of room for genre crossovers to occur, I'd love to see more stuff in vein of Bongripper, and as much as some of you guys might moan about it being 'hipster', post-metal has still got planty to offer, the latest Neurosis album was incredible. There's also the whole black metal/post-punk/shoegaze thing going on, but again, it's derided for being 'hipster'. There's plenty of bands in those scenes with good songwriting abilities grounded in traditional metal styles but combined with a fresh aesthetic approach (such as SubRosa who Morpho posted earlier on). These are the sort of metal bands that the wider musical community raves about but so many metalheads instantly dismiss because there's clean female vocals and no zombies on the artwork.

Also, Steve, lay off the Kant and try a wee bit of Confuscious or something. The 18th century is not the be all and end all of intelligence.

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It's existed in one form or another for about 10 years, and in that time... has only gotten more derivative and inundated with clone bands.Yes, but this has not happened in quite some time now. The time has come to look inward rather than outward.Well, in terms of any new, legitimate Metal subgenres being created, uh, that is literally true-- the last emergence of a major style, as I stated previously, would be Black Metal, which came around at the end of the 80s. However, it's not so much that there are not modern bands which serve to progress Metal, but rather, that these select few worthy, new bands are drowning amidst a sea of over-saturation, because kids who pick up instruments these days do not look to the past, just the present, and consequently, are merely reiterating styles rather than trying to actively mine the artistic/musical potential within those styles, something which has only been touched upon by alpha-tier Metal bands for the most part.No, I don't think that at all; but writing/perceiving music only at the aesthetic level is not the way to achieve that. Advocating the incorporation of Classical ideals in Metal on a massive scale is the way to achieve that. It's no longer possible to "out-do" other bands merely by introducing aesthetic unfamiliarity.If it's just a matter of production/note choice/vocals/instrumentation being modified, then that is aesthetic "change", not musical "progression". Musical progression occurs when you re-evaluate the goals of your music, or alternatively, how your music achieves those goals.Never read Kant, but I will freely admit that I've only had an interest in philosophy and other vaguely related matters for maybe six months now, if that, so my ideas are not as informed or developed as they could be.

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ChemicalFire

And this is where your argument falls apart. How is this anything but your opinion on how metal should work? This is purely your subjective opinion.

You can back it up with as much as you like, it's still only an opinion, not a fact. You should really stop treating it as such.

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