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Old 01-22-2013, 11:15 PM   #41
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Nah, I read everything everyone said. I was at work, I just couldnt respond.

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I had a teacher, 60 years old. He would go the AES conventions and make a a 50 € behringer sound like a 5000 € Neumann. It's a life time of work.


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And i forgot. I didn't say they could make a cheap mic sound great. I said they can make a cheap mic sound THE SAME as a great one. The good one would not do a better job. The experiment was basically this:
A classical guitar. Someone (with knowledge in the matter) would go and place the Neumann.
Record was made. He would listen and than he would place the Behringer in a place were it would sound the same.

It's possible. You just have to be boss xD
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Old 01-22-2013, 11:21 PM   #42
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? xD ah sorry i meant your loss xD
Cause you will be losing teeth savvy? xD
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Old 01-22-2013, 11:23 PM   #43
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I mean, by all means, please show me this. Otherwise, let's get some constructive advice back on this thread.
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Old 01-22-2013, 11:26 PM   #44
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I can't show you the experiment cause i don't have the tracks but search José Fortes. He is the boss.
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Old 01-23-2013, 01:05 AM   #45
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I need to stop sleeping so I can be on this board 24/7 just so I don't wake up to such stupidity.

As for the whole "I can make a $50 Behringer Mic sound like a Neumann", its not hard. Though, why would you want to take a $50 mic & waste time & effort putting in new parts so that by the end, the only thing the same is the shell? Even then, its not going to sound like or be a Neumann.
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Old 01-23-2013, 01:11 AM   #46
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why would you want to waste time and effort learning anything if you can pay for it? Stupid comment is stupid.
And lol cause you've tried it and you can say by experience it doesn't sound the same. Just shut the **** up and go waste your money instead of my time.
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Old 01-23-2013, 02:40 AM   #47
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So what you're saying to me (and everyone else here) is that you can make any microphone sound the same as any other through placement? Do it then. I assume you have two microphones somewhere of some description that you can use, and a speaker so you can play the exact same sound both times. I can guarantee, and I would bet everything I own on it, that if I were to take the two files you produce, and invert the phase of one of them, there would still be sound coming out of my speakers. No digital silence, no perfectly identical sounds.

Seriously, with the amount of variables in a microphone you'd be hard pressed to make two 'identical' microphones sound the same, let alone two different ones.
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Old 01-23-2013, 06:50 AM   #48
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why would you want to waste time and effort learning anything if you can pay for it? Stupid comment is stupid.
And lol cause you've tried it and you can say by experience it doesn't sound the same. Just shut the **** up and go waste your money instead of my time.


Bitch, get the **** out of here. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

You're taking a $50 mic, pretty much completely gutting it, probably putting vintage parts well above the cost of the original mic and expecting it to sound like a $5000+ mic when in all reality, it's not, nor ever will be the same unless you're putting the exact same parts in it. Hell, there's a distinct difference between a Neumann from now & from the originals from the 60s

Even then, half the shit you've said in this thread is terrible advice. Please, do the new people of this forum a favor and stop giving terrible advice. You're only causing more controversy and questions than actually helping.
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Can someone ban him please? He's going to ruin the whole recording's forum if he sticks around.
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Old 01-23-2013, 08:02 AM   #50
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Chemical Fire: Is this argument enough?


If you hadn't completely changed your argument then it would of been. You also agreed with me on what the frequency chart shows which shows that the high on a 57 are over hyped and lack body compared to the NT1. I'm not sure what you're trying to prove apart from me right.

From what I'm reading it's as if you've heard one guy can maybe do it and then you're going around spouting bs about how mics don't matter as if you're some kind of production messiah. I want proof, I want to hear it with my own ears.
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Old 01-23-2013, 08:43 AM   #51
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Noobs taking over the world.. bah suit yourselves xD
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Old 01-23-2013, 08:49 AM   #52
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Says the guy who can't keep his argument straight =P
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Old 01-23-2013, 09:41 AM   #53
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jesus, what a cluster****.


I honestly do understand the point you're trying to get across, but you're several miles wide of the target.
Yes, you can get decent results with less-than-ideal gear if you take the time, but there's simply no reason to when you could find something much better suited in the same price range.

Talking of cheap Behringers, I stand by my original post - the Behringer B-2 PRO is a beast of a budget condenser. I've heard a fair few people say the modded B-2 can hold its own against a U87
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jesus, what a cluster****.

Talking of cheap Behringers, I stand by my original post - the Behringer B-2 PRO is a beast of a budget condenser. I've heard a fair few people say the modded B-2 can hold its own against a U87


Yeah, this is what happens when 13 year olds who think they know everything come on the board.

I think what you're saying is more what our friend who has no idea what he's talking about should have said originally. A Behringer B-2 is never going to sound like a U87, but with some mods, you can get it close. Still, a B2 will never be a U87
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Well, my threads taken an interesting turn...
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Shame on you for creating it
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Shame on you for creating it

I got the info I asked for.
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I got the info I asked for.


Good, I'm glad at least somthing came out of this thread.
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From what I can tell HeavyKaribean has simply decided to regurgitate this Jose Fortes guy's opinion (who is by the way so well respected that he doesn't have a wikipedia article on him in English) on music production, who claims that equipment is pointless if it all has "since it has no commitments or construction defects that compromise the sound." which is wrong... as all mics have defects... especially SM58's and that people are "forgetting that the most important is the placement of the microphone in the right place."

Honestly Heavy is missing the point. No where does he say that it doesn't matter which mic you use, he's saying more that there's no reason to not get a good sound if you have good equipment and can put the mic in the right place; there is no need for over doing post... which I agree with.

What he is NOT saying is that it's fine to record vocals with an SM58 in ALL cases as long as you put the mic in the right place.
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Old 01-23-2013, 06:50 PM   #60
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LOL just commenting on "who is by the way so well respected that he doesn't have a wikipedia article on him in English". He is Portuguese so he has an article written in portuguese. Not having an English article in wikipedia means he is no good? Your argument just proves you are an idiot. So no need to discuss professional things with a ****ing asshole.
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