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Old 01-22-2013, 08:02 PM   #61
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I read his posts, he posts in the NFL thread, I made a joke that no one outside of the US watches Football. Therefore - Not Swedish. I called shenanigans.

This supports our proof that he is dead mate. An American mod is currently controlling him.
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Old 01-22-2013, 08:05 PM   #62
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This supports our proof that he is dead mate. An American mod is currently controlling him.

WE HAVE TO GO DEEPER
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Old 01-22-2013, 08:06 PM   #63
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WE HAVE TO GO DEEPER

That does decrease my life expectancy again though. Not too deep I hope.
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Old 01-22-2013, 08:07 PM   #64
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That does decrease my life expectancy again though. Not too deep I hope.

Oh just you wait.
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Old 01-22-2013, 08:09 PM   #65
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Oh just you wait.

The waiting better not be longer than the actual deed again.
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Old 01-22-2013, 08:11 PM   #66
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The waiting better not be longer than the actual deed again.

Why do you always have to bring that up in front of the guise? Like really, you can't wait until later?
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Old 01-22-2013, 08:15 PM   #68
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People already do.

I c wot u did thar.

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Why do you always have to bring that up in front of the guise? Like really, you can't wait until later?

The problem is the waiting. So no, I can't wait. I have more people I want to have sex with. I hear Lindsay Lohan is addicted again so.
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Old 01-22-2013, 08:15 PM   #69
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...I don't mind discussing this with you, but you don't need to insult me, I don't know Kensai. It's not that unreasonable of me to ask if something someone says is true.


No insult intended--just well intended ribbing; I sincerely apologize for that misunderstanding. You're clearly more mature than the people who are members of that UG group I mentioned.

I gotta go visit my local Guitar Center, so I'll make this quick:

I didn't ask you to justify anything. The closing question was rhetorical. I can see how you'd take that as a challenge though.

Animal Farm is just 1 example. While it was the spark for me, it certainly is not the entire basis. And what I said about scarcity and human nature would hold true even if Orwell had never been born.

Interestingly enough, I saw some of the same thought processes in your post that I went through in my adolescence. At this point you're still blaming external factors for the real-world failures of left-wing societies. You might want to consider all the reasons for those external factors. You also might want to take a closer look at the internal causes for the failure. For both of these, I'd suggest framing them from the perspectives of scarcity and human nature.

Judging by your profile and a few of your posts I've noticed over the years, we probably have a lot more in common than meets the eye. Gotta run, take care.
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I c wot u did thar.


The problem is the waiting. So no, I can't wait. I have more people I want to have sex with. I hear Lindsay Lohan is addicted again so.

I already called dibs on li-lo. So suck it.
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I already called dibs on li-lo. So suck it.

I was going to suck it, but now you can say goodbye to sexy time.
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Old 01-22-2013, 08:22 PM   #72
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Old 01-22-2013, 08:49 PM   #74
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No insult intended--just well intended ribbing; I sincerely apologize for that misunderstanding. You're clearly more mature than the people who are members of that UG group I mentioned.

I gotta go visit my local Guitar Center, so I'll make this quick:

I didn't ask you to justify anything. The closing question was rhetorical. I can see how you'd take that as a challenge though.

Animal Farm is just 1 example. While it was the spark for me, it certainly is not the entire basis. And what I said about scarcity and human nature would hold true even if Orwell had never been born.

Interestingly enough, I saw some of the same thought processes in your post that I went through in my adolescence. At this point you're still blaming external factors for the real-world failures of left-wing societies. You might want to consider all the reasons for those external factors. You also might want to take a closer look at the internal causes for the failure. For both of these, I'd suggest framing them from the perspectives of scarcity and human nature.

Judging by your profile and a few of your posts I've noticed over the years, we probably have a lot more in common than meets the eye. Gotta run, take care.


No harm, no foul.

I'm not saying that the only reason for Stalin hijacking the revolution or Mao murdering millions of his own people is due to outside factors, but I think that with some help, it may not have gone so far south. There will be opportunists everywhere and those societies became State Capitalist very quickly. But there are many angles and I believe that the last 100 years has shown many examples of human evolution that has exceeded the expectations of Darwinism because social conscience wasn't understood then, and isn't now.

We aren't animals in a jungle. We're conscious, responsible and understanding of consequence. The vast majority of people live their lives in a good positive way that benefits lots of people, it's just a minority of people who happen to control everything in such a way that it doesn't matter what we do, as we're on a sinking ship.

I just think we have the ability to change in a positive way, whether or not we do or not is something that I don't have control over.

I'm not a Communist. I'm a Socialist. I'm also 28, I have a good job, I like my job and I think I'm good at it, but I believe in change, but I'd settle for many things less drastic than Communism. As I said, Healthcare for all in the US is a positive start for you guys, I'll start feeling happier when more is spent on welfare than defence.

What I discovered in my adolescene just made sense to me, I have become more educated on Economics, various political ideologies and history and yea, I see many correlations, but I also see the same hope I saw in my younger days.

Call me a dreamer, but I'm not the only one.
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Old 01-22-2013, 08:50 PM   #75
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Old 01-22-2013, 08:58 PM   #76
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If you've read Animal Farm and still don't get it, then I'm certainly not going to be able to break through. It's about the economic principal of scarcity and certain elements of human nature that are constant throughout all recorded human history. Certainly you've come across these ideas in your education, and yet you still believe utopia is achievable, just like you believed Kensai is really dead. Don't outgrow that one either.

How come every time people try to achieve utopia we end up with distopia instead?

George Orwell was a socialist you dingdong
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I read his posts, he posts in the NFL thread, I made a joke that no one outside of the US watches Football. Therefore - Not Swedish. I called shenanigans.

lol there are a lot of Europeans in that thread.
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Old 01-22-2013, 09:04 PM   #77
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I'll still be on here ;___;


George Orwell was a socialist you dingdong


Indeed he was, fighting in the Spanish Civil War no less. What a legend!

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lol there are a lot of Europeans in that thread.


I love American Football. It's an awesome game, I watch it every week plus the midweek roundups.

But I'm in the minority, as usual :P
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Old 01-22-2013, 11:56 PM   #78
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No insult intended--just well intended ribbing; I sincerely apologize for that misunderstanding. You're clearly more mature than the people who are members of that UG group I mentioned.

I gotta go visit my local Guitar Center, so I'll make this quick:

I didn't ask you to justify anything. The closing question was rhetorical. I can see how you'd take that as a challenge though.

Animal Farm is just 1 example. While it was the spark for me, it certainly is not the entire basis. And what I said about scarcity and human nature would hold true even if Orwell had never been born.

Interestingly enough, I saw some of the same thought processes in your post that I went through in my adolescence. At this point you're still blaming external factors for the real-world failures of left-wing societies. You might want to consider all the reasons for those external factors. You also might want to take a closer look at the internal causes for the failure. For both of these, I'd suggest framing them from the perspectives of scarcity and human nature.

Judging by your profile and a few of your posts I've noticed over the years, we probably have a lot more in common than meets the eye. Gotta run, take care.



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...George Orwell was a socialist you dingdong


Indeed he was, fighting in the Spanish Civil War no less. What a legend!

That's the ironic part, innit? In his ferver to craft a compelling anti-Stalinist piece, he unraveled the flaw with the whole concept. He was vehemently against authoritarian socialism, favoring democratic socialism. Perhaps you need the context of the 50 to 63 years after his death to see how is attacks on the Soviet brand actually have universal application. Sure, it'll probably take another 50 - 100 years before there's airtight proof to my point, but there's plenty of examples already where well-intentioned socialist movements rapidly morphed into the authoritarian. Just look at Venezuela. That's just a fractioin of what I'm talking about regarding human nature. That isn't even getting into the other ways that socialism unintentionally exploits human nature to defeat the human spirit.

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...I'm not a Communist. I'm a Socialist...

Well, that's a start. However they're pretty darned close on the spectrum. So close that here's what one of "UG's Socialiasts" had to say about the difference between communism and socialism:
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there's no functioning difference. socialism just sounds better.

Not saying he's right, but it's pretty telling about where the run-of-the-mill college socialist is coming from these days.

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I'm also 28, I have a good job, I like my job and I think I'm good at it, but I believe in change, but I'd settle for many things less drastic than Communism.

Thought you just said you weren't Communist. Now you're saying you'd settle for things that are kind of Communist, but less drastic (which implies that Communism would be your actual blue sky end-state). WTFO?

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...As I said, Healthcare for all in the US is a positive start for you guys...

Shame it doesn't actually deliver that. It doesn't do anything to reduce the healthcare bubble, either--in fact it will drive up costs substantially and eliminate some of the few opportunities we had to lower costs. From an American perspective, the problem with our healthcare was affordability. Remember, the lower class already received Medicaid. 100% of the people I know in person who voted Democrat in 2008 are really pissed off about how they were hoodwinked over that one.

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...I'll start feeling happier when more is spent on welfare than defence. ...

So basically you're happy when more people are in such poverty that the government has to support them?
You're happy when more people are dependent on the government for basic subsistence?

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Call me a dreamer, but I'm not the only one.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you (like me) want to improve quality of life.

Thing is, we don't live in a dream world, but rather the real world. In this real world, driving people into dependence on their governments is not going to improve their quality of life by any measure over the long term. It's unsustainable.

We need to help people become more independent and give them incentives and opportunities to improve their own quality of life. Governments can't be the only ones doing that forever; for it to work over the long term it has to come from free markets.

It's been fun, but I have to switch back to academics--darned professional studies!
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>says "over the years"
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Good catch. I guess I mixed him up with that dude with the animated gif of Che's head getting shot. Who was that guy anyway?
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