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Old 01-22-2013, 08:50 PM   #1
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Painting help please

I need to know how to simulate the color of randy rhoads les paul custom without playing it every day for 10 years.
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Old 01-22-2013, 10:18 PM   #2
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Relicing. Beat it up, get it dirty, wear through the finish, let it get roughed up... Just be creative about it.
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I'm too old for the Jim Morrison look now. When I was gigging I had a fine arse.
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Old 01-22-2013, 10:42 PM   #3
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theres a fair few youtube videos, but basically you pretend your guitar likes it rough. Throw keys at it, drag it on the ground. Theres a fine line between 'road worn' and 'battered' though.
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Old 01-22-2013, 11:04 PM   #4
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theres a fair few youtube videos, but basically you pretend your guitar likes it rough. Throw keys at it, drag it on the ground. Theres a fine line between 'road worn' and 'battered' though.

It's not realy a road worn or reliced look its more of like that yellowed cream sort of deal.
I'm building a Flying V out of cherry plywood but I love that color.
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Old 01-22-2013, 11:19 PM   #5
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your best bet is to take a photo to an auto paint supplier and get them to mix a colour that is close to the pic
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Old 01-22-2013, 11:24 PM   #6
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Ok, cause I really like that color and I can't find it anywhere.
I was was watching a video and Jim root said leave it under a heat lamp, but I don't know.
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Old 01-23-2013, 04:28 PM   #7
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Smoke.

That's what makes it get that ivory color. Years of playing smokey clubs
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Old 01-23-2013, 05:42 PM   #8
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Smoke.

That's what makes it get that ivory color. Years of playing smokey clubs

Cool, but does it have to a certain kind of smoke?
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Cool, but does it have to a certain kind of smoke?


Cigarettes, mostly. Ever seen a smoker's house? All of the tar and shit everywhere from smoking? That's exactly what makes the guitar look like it does.
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Old 01-23-2013, 06:09 PM   #10
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or ya know... just order aged white paint.. .or bone white paint.
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Old 01-23-2013, 06:25 PM   #11
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Cigarettes, mostly. Ever seen a smoker's house? All of the tar and shit everywhere from smoking? That's exactly what makes the guitar look like it does.

Would it be possible to burn glue and get the same effect because I don't want to buy cigarettes as I'm only fifteen and none of my family smokes.
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Old 01-23-2013, 07:02 PM   #12
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OK. I'll try...

Just get paint the colour you want. (see sytharnia1560 & Explorerbuilder)

By the way...
panic -> panicking
traffic -> trafficking
mimic -> mimicking
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relic -> relicking
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Old 01-23-2013, 08:03 PM   #13
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By the way...
panic -> panicking
traffic -> trafficking
mimic -> mimicking
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relic -> relicking

I don't think it's that simple. "relic" isn't a verb, those words you mentioned are. Relic may some day become a verb and adhere to that rule, but at the moment, it can be confusing because adding an "re" prefix to a verb means to do something again. so "relicking" would literally mean to lick something again. I think the least confusing way to write it is actually "relic'ing" because that adds an "ing" while still preserving the pronunciation of the word.
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I don't think it's that simple. "relic" isn't a verb, those words you mentioned are. Relic may some day become a verb and adhere to that rule, but at the moment, it can be confusing because adding an "re" prefix to a verb means to do something again. so "relicking" would literally mean to lick something again. I think the least confusing way to write it is actually "relic'ing" because that adds an "ing" while still preserving the pronunciation of the word.


I thought about that. I usually say "relic'd"
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or ya know... just order aged white paint.. .or bone white paint.


That definitely works too. I just though he wanted the more authentic "I've been playing this same guitar every day for the last 20 years" look.
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Smoke.

That's what makes it get that ivory color. Years of playing smokey clubs


not entirely true...yes smoke makes it go "more" yellow but nitro will yellow naturally even if its out of sunlight...hence the reason the rhoads relic was a lot yellower than it the pictures of him with it, because it kept on aging in storage


OP as I said in my first post just take a photo of the LP to an auto paint shop and they will match the colour perfectly
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Old 01-24-2013, 01:28 AM   #17
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Now would I want to paint it and then nitrocellulose it, or what?
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I don't think it's that simple. "relic" isn't a verb, those words you mentioned are. Relic may some day become a verb and adhere to that rule, but at the moment, it can be confusing because adding an "re" prefix to a verb means to do something again. so "relicking" would literally mean to lick something again. I think the least confusing way to write it is actually "relic'ing" because that adds an "ing" while still preserving the pronunciation of the word.
Actually, all of the words I listed are also nouns. Many words these days are being turned into verbs. Americans are particularly bad at it, e.g.: "He gifted me his golf clubs in his will." There's no such verb as "to gift" in any English dictionary (yet). One could also argue that antique is a noun and yet antiquing as a verb has made it into the dictionary (as a side note: why not just use that instead?).
Language changes with the times and there is clearly a need for a word to describe the practise of making smomething look like a relic ["ruining" maybe? ] so why not relicking? Yes that creates confusion with "licking again" but that should get a hyphen as other "re" prefixed words do: re-licking. This is mainly because to leave out the 'k' creates a pronunciation problem: it looks like it should be a soft 'c' as in "icing", "pricing", "dicing", "voicing" and all the other words tha end in "~cing". And using an apostrophe, while clarifying the pronunciation, is a misuse of the apostrophe, which is usually used to indicate an absence of letters that would normally be there - an abbreviation - and it's not an abbreviation. Rant over.



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If you're trying to make something look old there's a couple of ways you can go about it.

Firstly, you can try and re-create and accelerate the aging process. This means using the same materials and trying to force them through conditions that would normally take many years.

Alternatively, you can completely fake it and use artistic license to make it look like it would if it were very old. Don't paint it white and try to yellow it; paint it yellow(ish) to start with. Don't spend 15 years rubbing the arm carve with your forearm; get some sandpaper to it.

In truth, you may end up walking the middle ground. If you use nitro, it will continue to yellow with age.
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Old 01-24-2013, 02:49 PM   #19
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Now would I want to paint it and then nitrocellulose it, or what?


the paint will be nitro as well not just the clear coat
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Meaning that the nitrocellulose is colored?
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