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Old 02-02-2013, 12:27 AM   #1
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tele options for high gain.

Guitar set up:
94 Peavey Reactor tele.
Fender bridge
Grover tuners
Seymour Duncan Hot Rails in the bridge.

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Carvin V3M
Avatar tradition 2x12 [gt75 and v30]

Budget: $200

Basically, my amp sounds CHOICE with my LTD EC-1000 with the JB/'59. Pinches galore, no problems.

With the tele, its hard to get a pinch harmonic off, and it's not quite the sound I want. I'm debating on 2 options:

EMG SA in the bridge, [which i hear isn't really great for high gain]

OR

Warmoth bridge:
http://www.warmoth.com/Gotoh-Humbuc...k-P603C709.aspx

With a Duncan Blackout Metal humbucker.


I feel like the humbucker route, despite all the chopping up and routing it would take to make it happen, would be my best option.
However, If I can lessen the financial burden, and put a hotter, full sounding single coil in the bridge, that would be even better.

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Old 02-02-2013, 12:33 AM   #2
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I would think the pickup would have more to do with the gain than the bridge. I would also go for the high gain single- coil and avoid extra routing.
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Old 02-02-2013, 12:40 AM   #3
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well the only reason I mentioned the bridge was because to go humbucker, I'd have to ditch the Fender bridge, as It's only for single coil.
Have you ahd any experience with the EMG single coils?
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Old 02-02-2013, 12:53 AM   #4
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I haven't. I play mostly blues and jazz so I've tended to stay away from them. I hear good things, though. Especially for high gain.
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Old 02-02-2013, 02:41 AM   #5
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or maybe a single soil sized humbucker would be up your alley?


btw hows the v3m?
i was considering getting one but i havent had much luck finding one nearby to test

edit-also ive installed a few emg sa and they do well for high gain very low noise from them
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Old 02-02-2013, 03:56 AM   #6
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Bareknuckle Piledriver, well given what you've listed it might not be quite what you're looking for. But check it out.

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Old 02-02-2013, 04:21 AM   #7
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I wanna suggest that the placement of the pickup almost has more to do with picking up pinches than the pickup itself. Notice you'll never get those super high harmonics in the neck pickup? Also (true) humbuckers have wider sensing areas so that lends itself more to honing in on those specific harmonic areas.
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Old 02-02-2013, 05:49 PM   #8
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Change the pickups to dragonfire quad rails they are wound to 23kohms
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Old 02-02-2013, 06:34 PM   #9
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Change the pickups to dragonfire quad rails they are wound to 23kohms

That is totally unnecessary. Not only are Dragonfire pickups junk, but a higher output doesn't equal pinch harmonics. And on top of that, the ohms a coil is wound to is a terrible indicator of it's output.
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Old 02-02-2013, 07:31 PM   #10
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That is totally unnecessary. Not only are Dragonfire pickups junk, but a higher output doesn't equal pinch harmonics. And on top of that, the ohms a coil is wound to is a terrible indicator of it's output.

I was told by my grandfather who went to a electronics college and worked at NASA that kohms were fairly accurate for reading output
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Old 02-02-2013, 07:36 PM   #11
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Also I played the alexi laiho scythe with the emg after burner and I loved it you could try one of those.
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Old 02-02-2013, 08:30 PM   #12
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I was told by my grandfather who went to a electronics college and worked at NASA that kohms were fairly accurate for reading output

Well, then your grandfather was wrong.

Output is determined by the wire gauge used, magnet type, and pole piece material, as well as the number of winds. Those pickups are probably a fairly high output, because that's what they were made for, but determining that solely based upon the coil resistance is flawed.

But it's all pointless to discuss because buying a super high output pickup to do pinch harmonics is a terrible idea.
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Old 02-02-2013, 08:53 PM   #13
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Well, then your grandfather was wrong.

Output is determined by the wire gauge used, magnet type, and pole piece material, as well as the number of winds. Those pickups are probably a fairly high output, because that's what they were made for, but determining that solely based upon the coil resistance is flawed.

But it's all pointless to discuss because buying a super high output pickup to do pinch harmonics is a terrible idea.

Your like the knowledgeable guy on here, what college did you go to?
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Old 02-02-2013, 09:03 PM   #14
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Your like the knowledgeable guy on here, what college did you go to?

pfft I'm the guy that teaches the colleges.
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pfft I'm the guy that teaches the colleges.

I say that because seem quite intelligent, what do you teach? I'm guessing physics of some sort?
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Old 02-05-2013, 06:09 PM   #16
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or maybe a single soil sized humbucker would be up your alley?


btw hows the v3m?
i was considering getting one but i havent had much luck finding one nearby to test

edit-also ive installed a few emg sa and they do well for high gain very low noise from them


The V3M is quite amazing. the wattage selector makes it great for practice and gigging.
It's SUPER responsive and the tone of your guitar really comes into play with what sound you'll get.
The first week I was iffy on it, but now I love it.
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Old 02-05-2013, 06:14 PM   #17
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Also, I ordered this bridge today:
http://www.warmoth.com/Gotoh-Humbuc...Black-P603.aspx

And a custom pickguard to do away with the neck pick up.
So now, I'll have a humbucker in the bridge.

Now my pickup options are between a Seymour Duncan Blackout ABH-1 and an EMG 81.
I'm leaning towards the EMG, because i need high output, but also some clarity, and EMG 81 usually has more clarity than the standard Blackout.
Opinions?
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Old 02-05-2013, 06:15 PM   #18
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I had a friend of mine who toght me most of what I know Put a JB Jr in my tele bridge. Now they do not make a Tele JBJR so he modified the pickup by removing the base plate and mounting the JBJr on the original tele base plate. Sounds much better to me than the HR. It cost me $65 to have him do the work (that was 10 yrs ago). I always get complements on how good that Tele sounds live
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Also, I ordered this bridge today:
http://www.warmoth.com/Gotoh-Humbuc...Black-P603.aspx

And a custom pickguard to do away with the neck pick up.

Now my pickup options are between a Seymour Duncan Blackout ABH-1 and an EMG 81.
I'm leaning towards the EMG, because i need high output, but also some clarity, and EMG 81 usually has more clarity than the standard Blackout.
Opinions?

You ninja'd me

If you want an EMG, get the 81X not the regular 81.
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Old 02-05-2013, 06:35 PM   #20
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You ninja'd me

If you want an EMG, get the 81X not the regular 81.


The 81x has a lower output though and less sustain..
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