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Old 02-04-2013, 08:35 PM   #41
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Old 02-04-2013, 08:59 PM   #42
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Old 02-04-2013, 10:04 PM   #43
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Old 02-05-2013, 03:41 PM   #44
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I think I am, but of course I would... Anyway, I'll show you my logic and you can decide.

The chord as written, lacks an "A". "A", is the 3rd of F major, so you can't establish it as an F chord, without another instrument playing.

Here are the notes of the chord:

e-1 @0 = E < The 3rd of C major
B-2 @0 = B < The major 7th of C major
G-3 @0 = G < The 5th of C major
D-4 @2 = E < another 3rd of C major
A-5 @3 =C < The root of C major
E-6 @1 =F < If no 3rd or 7th was present, this would be Csus4 (C, F, G)

However, when a 7th is present, the 4th and 7th are summed, and you get an "11th" chord. "C11" would be a b7 (Bb), or a dominant 7th, if you prefer.

When you consider that the "B" is a B natural, that defines the key, or scale, (with a fair amount of certainty), as C major, and not F.

Someone else might call it something different, depending on key or mode, buy my grasp of chord construction makes it out to be Cmaj11.

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Old 02-05-2013, 07:51 PM   #45
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Old 02-06-2013, 12:41 PM   #46
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Can you guys give me some rarely used chords that sound great? Thanks in advance i mean chords like this etc..

e---0-----------
B---5----------
G---4-------------
D---6----------
A---7-----------
D---------------

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Old 09-16-2014, 10:02 AM   #50
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rare chords are rare

augmented chords are a little more rarely used since they don't appear in the standard 7 note scale that most modern music uses.

But I wouldn't even call those augmented triads rare since jazz folks use them constantly


with that said there are types of augmented chords that are very rarely used

.the Italian augmented 6th (It+6) (example: G#,C,F#)
.the French augmented 6th (Fr+6) (example: G#,C,D,F#)
.the German augmented 6th (Ger+6) (example: G#,C,D#,F#)

the german one is the same enharmonically as a dominant 7th chord but it functions differently.

Best place to look for rare chords is classical music but if what you're looking for is a different sound... then what you want to do is use different scales other than the standard one.

like the egyptian scale,
one of the messiaen scales,
the harmonic or melodic minor,
etc
there are so many you'd never learn them all

each one has it's own set of chords since the intervals are different
the messiaen one (type 2) has like 20 diminished chords in it
the egyptian one is odd. it has a mix of all different ones... has augmented, flat5ths, diminished, regular triads, few 7th chords, only 1 add 9 and 1 add 11, it has the german italian and french augmented 6ths, and there are no chords for the fourth chord other than a It+6 (remember the 2nd note of these chords is the tonic.. can be quite confusing if you don't know this).

So lots of fun to be had.

if you plan on sticking to the plain old 7 note scale in popular music then learn all of the 7ths, 9ths, 11ths, 13ths, sus and diminished chords, be aware of the half diminished one on the 7th chord and not just the diminished triad, know what makes a dominant chord dominant and what makes it a minor major 7th instead.. in fact here's a chord chart I made for teaching the standard scale so anyone can get the idea


Eb Major/C minor

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Eb,F,G,Ab,Bb,C,D

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1. Eb Major ------ (Eb,G,Bb) -------------- I Major -------------- (1,5,8)
2. Eb sus2 ------ (Eb,F,Bb) -------------- I sus2 -------------- (1,3,8)
3. Eb sus4 ------ (Eb,Ab,Bb) -------------- I sus4 -------------- (1,6,8)
4. Eb 6 (Gadd13) -- (Eb,G,Bb,C) -------------- I6 -------------- (1,5,8,10)
5. Eb Major7 ----- (Eb,G,Bb,D) -------------- I Major 7 -------------- (1,5,8,12)
6. Eb add 9 ------ (Eb,G,Bb,F) -------------- I add 9 -------------- (1,5,8,15)
7. Eb add 11 ---- (Eb,G,Bb,Ab) -------------- I add 11 -------------- (1,5,8,18)
8. Eb 6 add 9 --- (Eb,G,Bb,C,F) -------------- I6 add 9 ---------- (1,5,8,10,15)
9. Eb Major 9 ---- (Eb,G,Bb,D,F) -------------- I Major 9 --------- (1,5,8,12,15)
10. F minor ------ (F,Ab,C) -------------- II minor -------------- (1,4,8)
11. F sus2 ------- (F,G,C) -------------- II sus2 -------------- (1,3,8)
12. F sus4 ----- (F,Bb,C) -------------- II sus4 -------------- (1,6,8)
13. F minor 6 ----- (F,Ab,C,D) -------------- II minor 6 -------------- (1,4,8,10)
14. F minor 7 ----- (F,Ab,C,Eb) -------------- II minor 7 -------------- (1,4,8,11)
15. F minor 9 ------(F,Ab,C,Eb,G) -------------- II minor 9 -------- (1,4,8,11,15)
16. F minor 11 ---- (F,Ab,C,Eb,G,Bb) -------------- II minor 11 --- (1,4.8.11,15,18)
17. F7 sus4 ----- (F,Bb,C,Eb) -------------- II7 sus4 -------------- (1,6,8,11)
18. F minor 13 --- (F,Ab,C,Eb,G,Bb,D) ------------ II minor 13 - (1,4,8,11,15,18.22)
19. Fminor7 add11 --(F,Ab,C,Eb,Bb) ----------- IIminor7 add11 ------ (1,4,8,11,18)
20. Fminor7 add13 -- (F,Ab,C,Eb,D) ----------- IIminor7 add13 ----- (1,4,8,11,22)
21. G minor ------- (G,Bb,D) -------------- III minor -------------- (1,4,8)
22. G sus4 -------- (G,C,D) -------------- III sus4 -------------- (1,6,8)
23. G minor 7 ------ (G,Bb,D,F) -------------- III minor7 ------------(1,4,8,11)
24. G7 sus 4 ----- (G,C,D,F) -------------- III7 sus4 -------------- (1,6,8,11)
25. Gminor7 add11 -- (G,Bb,D,F,A) -------------- IIIminor7 add11 -- (1,4,8,11,18)
26. Ab Major ---- (Ab,C,Eb) -------------- IV Major -------------- (1,5,8)
27. Ab sus2 ----- (Ab,Bb,Eb) -------------- IV sus2 -------------- (1,3,8)
28. Ab 6 ------ (Ab,C,Eb,F) -------------- IV6 -------------- (1,5,8,10)
29. Ab Major 7 --- (Ab,C,Eb,G) -------------- IV Major 7 -------------- (1,5,8,12)
30. Ab add 9 --- (Ab,C,Eb,Bb) -------------- IV add 9 -------------- (1,5,8,15)
31. Ab Major7 add13-(Ab,C,Eb,G,F) ----------- IVMajor7 add13 ------ (1,5,8,12,22)
32. Ab 6 add 9 ----- (Ab,C,Eb,F,Bb) -------------- IV6 add 9 ----- (1,5,8,10,15)
33. Ab Major b5 ------ (Ab,C,D) -------------- IV Major b5 -------------- (1,5,7)
34. Ab Major 9 ------ (Ab,C,Eb,G,Bb) ----------- IV Major 9 ------- (1,5,8,12,15)
35. Bb Major ------ (Bb,D,F) -------------- V Major -------------- (1,5,8)
36. Bb sus2 ----- (Bb,C,F) -------------- V sus2 -------------- (1,3.8)
37. Bb sus4 ---- (Bb,Eb,F) -------------- V sus4 -------------- (1,6,8)
38. Bb 6 ------- (Bb,D,F,G) -------------- V6 -------------- (1,5,8,10)
39. Bb 7 ---- (Bb,D,F,Ab) -------------- V7 -------------- (1,5,8,11)
40. Bb 9 ---- (Bb,D,F,Ab,C) -------------- V9 -------------- (1,5,8,11,15)
41. Bb add 9 ---- (Bb,D,F,C) -------------- V add 9 -------------- (1,5,8,15)
42. Bb 11 --- (Bb,D,F,Ab,C,Eb) -------------- V11 ----- (1,5,8,11,15,18)
43. Bb 7 sus4 ---- (Bb,Eb,F,Ab) -------------- V7 sus4 ------------ (1,6,8,11)
44. Bb 13 --- (Bb,D,F,Ab,C,Eb,G) ----------- V13 ------ (1,5,8,11,15,18,22)
45. Bb 6 add 9 ---- (Bb,D,F,G,C) -------------- V6 add 9 ------- (1,5,8,10,15)
46. Bb 7 add 11 ---- (Bb,D,F,Ab,Eb) -------------- V7 add 11 ------ (1,5,8,11,18)
47. Bb 7 add 13 ---- (Bb,D,F,Ab,G) -------------- V7 add 13 ------- (1,5,8,11,22)
48. Bb 6 sus4 ------ (Bb,Eb,F,G) -------------- V6 sus4 ------ (1,6,8,10)
49. Bb 9 sus4 ----- (Bb,Eb,F,Ab,C) -------------- V9 sus4 ------- (1,6,8,11,15)
50. C minor ------- (C,Eb,G) -------------- VI minor -------------- (1,4,8)
51. C sus2 ----- (C,D,G) -------------- VI sus2 -------------- (1,3,8)
52. C sus4 ------- (C,F,G) -------------- VI sus4 -------------- (1,6,8)
53. C minor 7 ------ (C,Eb,G,Bb) -------------- VI minor 7 -------- (1,4,8,11)
54. C minor 9 ------- (C,Eb,G,Bb,D) -------------- VI minor 9 ----- (1,4,8,11,15)
55. C7 sus4 --------- (C,F,G,Bb) -------------- VI7 sus4 ---- (1,6,8,11)
56. C minor 11 ----- (C,Eb,G,Bb,D,F) ------- VI minor 11 --- (1,4.8.11,15,18)
57. Cminor add9 ------ (C,Eb,G,D) --------- VIminor add9 ------- (1,4,8,15)
58. Cminor7 add11 ----- (C,Eb,G,Bb,F) ------- VIminor7 add11 ------- (1,4,8,11,18)
59. C7 sus4 ------ (C,F,G,Bb) -------------- VI7 sus4 -------- (1,6,8,11)
60. C9 sus4 ------- (C,F,G,Bb,D) -------- VI9 sus4 -------- (1,6,8,11,15)
61, D° --------- (D,F,Ab) -------------- VII° -------------- (1,4,7)
62. Dų ------- (D,F,Ab,C) -------------- VIIų -------------- (1,4,7,11)

note the intervals to the right are not standard ones. they are based on all 12 notes instead of just the notes from the scale so that people will see the difference between Major 7ths and minor 7ths. Also the difference between a Major and minor 3rd.

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Old 09-16-2014, 10:32 AM   #51
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old thread or not. it's one of the first search results in google when you look up rare chords

so useful either way

I really don't see how listing the augmented 6ths
or how showing 62 chords in the standard key is bullshit
but whatever,
You're entitled to your opinion

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Old 09-16-2014, 05:43 PM   #53
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old thread or not. it's one of the first search results in google when you look up rare chords

so useful either way

I really don't see how listing the augmented 6ths
or how showing 62 chords in the standard key is bullshit
but whatever,
You're entitled to your opinion


Why respond to a conversation that took place a year and a half ago?

And how is a list of 62 chords helpful? That's not going to teach anyone anything. It's much more useful to just learn how to name and build chords, and there are plenty of lessons for that all over the internet.
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