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View Poll Results: Is retro/vintage holding music back?
Yeah, we need to move on 6 11.11%
Meh, you're a **** 13 24.07%
Nah, nothing wrong with the classics 35 64.81%
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Old 02-03-2013, 11:28 PM   #21
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i embrace solid state amps. not modeling amps tho cuz they model tube amps which is stupid.

the way everybody still uses fenders and gibsons is pretty disgusting. but they don't really make cheap guitars that aren't more or less modeled after '50s-'80s models, so what can ya do.
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Old 02-03-2013, 11:33 PM   #22
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The Classical period happened before the Romantic period, brah.
Yeah I know, I can't remember the analogy. It's like 3 am and I'm trying desperately not to think about editing a 3000 word essay :I
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Old 02-04-2013, 12:02 AM   #23
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I do. Do 80's count as retro? In that case, Somewhere in time.
Otherwise, all them space ship-y things from the 60's.Buses, trains, everything.

Naw, the 80s don't count. Though I do like a lot of Sci if paintings from the 80s.

Recently they started rereleasing old Mars Attacks trading cards. I've been collecting them because I love the retro futuristic artwork on them. And who doesn't love the Forbidden Planet posters. Movies should go back to having posters like those.
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Old 02-04-2013, 12:30 AM   #24
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But metal bands do use new guitar designs.

They just all look like shit and have 3000 pointy bits.


Woah dude, your avatar is perfectly in sync with my song, as I was headbanging as well.

(On topic) When I was a kid I always wondered why there wasn't many "different" mass produced models of guitars. I walk in guitar center and there's just walls full of Les pauls, Strats and SG's.
The flying V and Explorer seem to be the most innovative designs (without being completely impractical) we've had in a long time.

Even some of the "new" guitar models are just slight variations of older ones.
Can't we make something new for once?
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Old 02-04-2013, 12:48 AM   #25
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Reading the responses, I have no idea what this thread is supposed to be about.

Lol'd at. I was so confused on those first few posts.
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Woah dude, your avatar is perfectly in sync with my song, as I was headbanging as well.

(On topic) When I was a kid I always wondered why there wasn't many "different" mass produced models of guitars. I walk in guitar center and there's just walls full of Les pauls, Strats and SG's.
The flying V and Explorer seem to be the most innovative designs (without being completely impractical) we've had in a long time.

Even some of the "new" guitar models are just slight variations of older ones.
Can't we make something new for once?

The SG is a newer design than both the V and the Explorer. By three years.

Also, they weren't really all that innovative other than introducing korina as a wood for use in guitars. They were just aesthetically different.
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Old 02-04-2013, 01:07 AM   #27
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Even some of the "new" guitar models are just slight variations of older ones.
Can't we make something new for once?

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. The main innovations are things I already mentioned, like pickups. Also, there's been many amp innovations since the '80s and early '90s.

People need to stop acting like just because it looks the same, there's been zero innovations.
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Old 02-04-2013, 01:54 AM   #28
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I'd shut up if someone made a seven-string Jazzmaster. Schecter make a seven-string hardtail Jaguar that's only available in Japan, but that's not the same thing, and it's only available in Japan.
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Old 02-04-2013, 08:26 AM   #29
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I think LP, strat and tele style guitars have survived for so long because they are the best shape and style for comfort and tonality. It's like trying to innovate the violin by making it triangular, there's a reason they're the shape that they are. Of course I'm not including innovations such as graphite nuts and push-pull switches, because they just improve on the original design.
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I think LP, strat and tele style guitars have survived for so long because they are the best shape and style for comfort and tonality. It's like trying to innovate the violin by making it triangular, there's a reason they're the shape that they are. Of course I'm not including innovations such as graphite nuts and push-pull switches, because they just improve on the original design.

The Strat is really the only one of those that's even slightly ergonomically designed, and even then it's pretty obvious that it's hardly perfect.

People don't actually want ergonomic guitars, possibly because of image. Most ergonomically designed guitars other than Strandbergs are pretty ugly, and pretty much all of them look like something only really dorky guitarists would play, not something their hero(es) would sling around their neck. Parkers are a compromise, which is probably why they're relatively successful. It probably helps that they have forward-thinking endorsees like Adrian Belew and Vernon Reid, too, even though neither are exactly super-famous.

Although Strandberg has Paul Masvidal and Allan Holdsworth now, so hey, who knows? Still, that doesn't really do much to help its reputation as a company that makes guitars for hardcore guitar geeks.
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Old 02-04-2013, 11:38 AM   #31
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Gibson have been making quality guitars for a long time.

The LP dates back to the 1950s...

I'm sure new tech has yet to come that'll make that Les Paul have new sounds/tones.

I was thinking the other day, because of this thread; wouldn't it be cool to sample something, anything, and then make that a channel on your multi effect and, when ever you want, get 'THAT' tone, that you sample, through that old guitar designed in the 1950s.
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Well, the Kemper Profiler is about half of the way there. I'm sure it'll eventually be at least somewhat possible.
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I was thinking the other day, because of this thread; wouldn't it be cool to sample something, anything, and then make that a channel on your multi effect and, when ever you want, get 'THAT' tone, that you sample, through that old guitar designed in the 1950s.

They sort of already have this. Problem is, they're expensive pieces of equipment to buy. Basically, you can copy amp tones.
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Well, I wanted to sample the sound of a train wheel screech/brake - and have THAT sort of guitar tone.
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Why don't you just run the train screech through a vocoder?
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Why don't you just run the train screech through a vocoder?

This.

Have it be the carrier, then your guitar be the modulator. This has been possible for decades. Of course, only in the past few years did it become affordable (or free, as the case may be; there are free VST vocoders), but the technology's been around for long over 50 years (the vocoder was actually invented in 1928). Granted, digital vocoders are much more high-def than analog ones, allowing for far more frequency bands, and thus a more accurate signal, but the basic concept's quite old.
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There's nothing wrong with the classics, although I wish some people would abandon the mindset that old = better.

A lot of modern bands sound like they're aping something great from the past without really grasping the subtleties. However, there are, and will always be, bands that do their own thing. Even if they aren't popular now, their music is more likely to stand the test of time.
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