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Old 02-05-2013, 12:38 AM   #21
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Old 02-05-2013, 12:39 AM   #22
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Old 02-05-2013, 12:42 AM   #23
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SM58/57 work for live vocals, not so much for recording. If you're wondering why that is, think about how much you can usually understand the vocals at a concert. The quality of the mic is a lot less important live because everything is just sorta a shitstorm of noise.
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Old 02-05-2013, 12:44 AM   #24
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Of course, you should always make sure you buy from a reputable seller (in the case of eBay, check the feedback score and make sure they have 97-100% feedback, and from selling as well as buying (some scam merchants will make an account and buy lots of cheap things to get their feedback score high before selling fake goods). If possible, bid on items that have individual photos of the item, instead of just a stock picture from the manufacturer website (unless it is a trusted store you're buying from).
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Old 02-05-2013, 12:59 AM   #25
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Okay, so look for an at2020 on eBay and if that fails, resort to an SM58? So even if it's used it won't suffer quality? (assuming it was well taken care of, of course.)
And that makes sense, I apologize. I didn't mean to disrespect and thank you for all of the info even though I'm making annoying mistakes. It's all very appreciated.

Edit:Actually, It looks like the at2020 is the same price new as the SM58. So just go with that?

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Old 02-05-2013, 01:06 AM   #26
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It's ok, we understand that not everybody uses message boards often and knows the workings etc.

Anyway, before you jump in to buy the AT2020, what are you going to be plugging it into? Because all condenser mics need phantom power to run, apart from the few that also accept 9V battery power, so if you don't already have an audio interface or USB mixer which will power the mic (and bypass your computer's stock sound card, which are always dreadful) you will be better off looking for the AT2020 USB, which allows you to use the mic as its own audio interface and will give you the best quality.

It may be hard to find used, but it will save you money on buying an audio interface. That being said, as you haven't given quite enough information for us to be spot on, if you plan on also using the microphone live/for band rehearsals, the SM58 will be better suited for that purpose and will give passable quality for recordings.
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Old 02-05-2013, 01:12 AM   #27
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I would only use it to record my vocals. And thanks for the tip, shit I would have never figured that out. It looks like I'm looking for the AT2020USB then. Thanks folks, you guys rock
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Old 02-05-2013, 01:14 AM   #28
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No problem, expect the USB version to cost a little bit more (most likely) but if you don't have some form of audio interface, you will not be able to use most microphones with any quality as they all require some form of preamp to boost their signal. The average computer soundcard doesn't have a microphone preamp, so making the signal louder in any recording program would just add lots and lots of hiss and noise, and give you nasty feedback when recording.
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Will do sir, and Thanks again
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Old 02-05-2013, 01:21 AM   #30
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Old 02-05-2013, 01:42 AM   #31
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Shure SM58S or SM57.


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Old 02-05-2013, 01:44 AM   #32
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No. Just no. We've already been through that.


Anyway, I'm about to go to bed so not going to debate this - feel free to disagree, but TS has already read all the opinions/advice and made up his mind.
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Old 02-05-2013, 07:07 PM   #33
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...Also, for the guy claiming the '58 is a better vocal mic than the '57, they're exactly the same thing albeit with a different windshield. If you remove the bubble windshield from a '58 you have pretty much the same mic in your hand, but without the plastic flares on the side, and without a protective cover for the diaphragm...



Not sure who you're refering to there about vocal vs. instrument with these mics, but as I'm sure you know that the "bubble windshield" in the '58 is there for a reason. In Shure's own words it, "minimizes wind and breath 'pop' noise." That wouldn't help you at all for recording instruments. Also, if you look at the spec sheets, the frequency response curves are close, but not identical. They're off by up to several dB in a few places on the curve. I have one of each, and use them interchangebly for live and scratch track vocals, but I haven't bothered with the '58 for instruments.

I've seen some dive bars mic cabs w/SM58s and it works, but it looked tacky as hell, and was an instant preview of their lack of professionalism.

My point is only that it's very common to use SM57s for vocals (mainly live), but reletively uncommon to use SM58s for instruments. But I agree with you he'd be much better off with an LDC.

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Old 02-05-2013, 07:11 PM   #34
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I'm pretty surprised at the amount of actual answers the first few posts

I was gonna suggest using the mic from a psp or a broken laptop to get the same effect... but shit... li... I'll just let you whores be civil without me
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Old 02-05-2013, 07:13 PM   #35
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Musicians friend has condenser microphones go on their stupid deal of the day quite often (once a month or so) for usually about 50 bucks.
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Old 02-05-2013, 07:14 PM   #36
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SM58/57 work for live vocals, not so much for recording. If you're wondering why that is, think about how much you can usually understand the vocals at a concert. The quality of the mic is a lot less important live because everything is just sorta a shitstorm of noise.


Well, that's part of it, but begs the question, "Why don't they use large diaphram condenser mics for live vocals?"

And the answer is that since LDCs are so much more sensitive, they also tend to have more problems with feedback in most rock concert settings. There are some high-end small diaphram condensers used live, though. They have other pros and cons that keep them from being the norm. Cost and lack of durability are two of the biggest reasons.
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Old 02-05-2013, 07:15 PM   #37
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lol @ SM57 for recording vocals
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Old 02-05-2013, 07:28 PM   #38
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Musicians friend has condenser microphones go on their stupid deal of the day quite often (once a month or so) for usually about 50 bucks.


I've been checking the Stupid Deal of the Day almost daily for the last 3-4 years, and yeah, they do sell a lot of LDCs for about $50, but every one I've seen there fits into the category of what DisarmGoliath said about $50-60 mics. Occasionally the Stupid Deal is stupid from MF's perspective, but usually it's stupid from the customer perspective--lots of junk.
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Old 02-05-2013, 07:39 PM   #39
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