MetallicSka

I hope everything goes well for him, it's fun to jam LoG sometimes. Seems like a pretty cool guy, too. Pretty much everything I want to say has been said by other posters, so I'll just leave it at that.

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iHurricaneGTR

agreed. it's manslaughter, not murder. Randy didn't intentionally take someone's life.
unfortunately, he will likely be found guilty. Is there someone dead as a result of one of Randy's actions? Yes. Is Randy a bad man because of it? No.

it would be different if he went out into the crowd and purposefully smashed his head into the barrier. But he didn't. it was an accident.

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captaincrunk

murder is a strong word, perhaps the strongest verb we have in our language in terms of framing mens rea (malicious intent). It doesn't apply here.

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TooktheAtrain

Which is why the category of manslaughter exists in the first place, right?

Todd Hart

Yes, but you can only be sentenced for manslaughter if it was caused by undue care or a similar circumstance.

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TooktheAtrain

And didn't he display some form of negligence or lack of regard for his fan's safety?

BladeSlinger

The thing that got me was learning that Randy himself lost his child.

EDIT:^ The fan shouldn't have been able to be on the stage in the first place.

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Todd Hart

Possibly, but it depends whether or not you class the fan as having put himself too much at risk.

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blue_bogan

Arguably the security were not doing their jobs, and they should be responsible, even if he did push a kid. Never in the 5 times that I have seen them have they invited fans on to the stage, and the security would never let something like that happen where I come from.

All you guys saying lamb of god are dicks couldn't be further from the truth. They sold their instruments to fund his trial, they are one huge family. They would never replace him. They are some of the most down to earth musicians i've ever met.

And all the people who say lamb of god sucks, that's fine, that is your opinion, but you should express it somewhere else, have some respect for a man who has done only the right thing by returning to a country threatening to lock him up. A man who has been caught up in a very sad situation for a kid and his family, and has been blamed for someone elses mistake.

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DisarmGoliath

^ The majority of people saying they're dicks or saying he deserves to go to jail for the music are just trying to wind people up. They're not serious. As far as his past suggests, mayslash is most likely being deadly serious, because he seemingly possesses a similar intellect to that of the common garden slug.


Judging by the evidence currently available to the public (YouTube videos) and his determination to go back there and defend himself in court, I would say it is highly likely he is not guilty of anything, but with everything like this - we're not the court, and we don't have access to all the evidence.


Which is one of the biggest reasons why mayslash is either a very convincingly-stupid troll, or actually fucking stupid.

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iHurricaneGTR

the fan rushed the stage multiple times, passed security. if anyone, it was the fan's fault.

that's just my view on it, though.

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TooktheAtrain

it just seems a lot of people here are going "he's a nice guy, he shouldn't have to face criminal charges" or something to that effect.



I thought the OP article said that the first fan to jump the stage tried to hug him, and then left the stage, and a different fan came on later who was pushed off and subsequently died.

iHurricaneGTR

well im not saying that. im not even that big of a fan of his, to be honest. i just dont think he should be held responsible for what happened

and im not sure. the last i read this story was a few months ago, and at that point i read that the fan rushed multiple times. i could be wrong though.

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TooktheAtrain

Seems like randy thought it was one rather persistent fan that wouldn't take a hint.

blue_bogan

Not correct at all. Security didn't do their job. Need anyone bring up dimebag being murdered onstage by a crazy fan? Fans should not be on stage unless invited, and I would push them off too in that situation.

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TooktheAtrain

Maybe you would, but if one of them died in the process you would be facing criminal charges and rightly so.

iHurricaneGTR

yeah that's what i remembered, then. my claim still stands for me then

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TooktheAtrain

But he was wrong, it was at least two fans.

iHurricaneGTR

a lot of people dont understand this though. just because you are being accused in court doesnt mean you're automatically a "murderer".
Randy didn't intentionally kill the fan, but the fan is still dead as a result of something he did. So, yes, he should be tried for ending someone's life, but it should not be held with the same connotation as murder.

but now im just saying the same things over and over again.
tl;dr: i agree with you, and i need to go to bed.

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