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Old 02-10-2013, 10:31 AM   #41
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I suppose it's pretty simple, from an evolutionary point of view. The baddest mofo gets the bitches.

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Old 02-10-2013, 11:08 AM   #42
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The above post about evolution is incomplete but may be on the right track. Here's my notions:

First, we are innately capable of violence. This is a survival mechanism. All of our primate relatives and ancestors are quite pugnacious when threatened, and quite capable too. Chimps are able to do terrific violence.
In addition, early human characteristics include the idea of territoriality, of protectiveness, and of being fearful of/violent to the "other", similar small groups of competing humans.
Remember the opening scenes of "2001"?
This is pretty much hard-wired into human nature. Of course, there are a lot of "good" things too, our tendencies towards altruism, cooperation, and so forth.
Still, we have this baggage from our evolutionary heritage.
It served our primitive ancestors well. They lived in small groups of hunter-gatherers and that was fine.
When civilization started up, suddenly these things were amplified. Instead of rarely encountering rival groups and mostly scaring them off with threat displays, we were in constant contact with other groups of people, people with whom you were competing for resources and room and so forth.
Also, if you build farms and cities, now territoriality becomes writ large. It's one thing to think of a certain stretch of savannah as "yours"... You can easily move to another if necessary.
But if you build a city and plant fields and all... Then that's "yours" in no uncertain terms and you'll defend it viciously.
As well, as it expands, you'll think that maybe the next city over is a threat.

Most all early war was between small villages and settlements over resources. The "other" becomes dehumanized. They are not as good as our group... They are not even human.
Anything becomes permissible.
Add religion into this mix.... Not only are the "others" different from you, they don't worship the same gods. Your gods get angry....
Human history has a very long record not only of interpersonal violence over anger and jealousy and rivalry and all that, but also institutional violence excused by religion and racism and all that and motivated more deeply by competition and deep-seated human emotional responses.

Finally, "the capacity of human beings for self-delusion is apparently infinite". We can rationalize almost anything. We excuse the most atrocious behavior to ourselves.
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Old 02-10-2013, 11:19 AM   #43
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I suppose it's pretty simple, from an evolutionary point of view. The baddest mofo gets the bitches.


..?

Please elaborate.


the constant need to fulfill curiosity is what we call will, but it has come to a point where we all do things simply to see what happens, and also because we can.
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Old 02-10-2013, 12:06 PM   #44
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I would say it's just cos like people have inner shit don't they and if their inner shits too piled up then it spews out a bit and becomes irl shit cos people need an outlet and shit

Any outward act, negative or positive, is a symptom of an inner stimuli. People have that inner shit cos life is suffering int it. Making someone else suffer kind of lessens the blow over how ****ing hopelessly low control we have over life, but it could also be some weird vicarious shit, cos everyone likes watching videos of fat people falling over.

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Old 02-10-2013, 12:13 PM   #45
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I blame evolution.

In order to survive as a species, we had to have some sort of ability to be "evil" and violent. That trait still exists today and, obviously, it isn't going to go away any time soon.

I don't see how being cruel is a trait that would beneficial to evolution. It's more than the japanese and some african tribes are an extra cruel culture within mankind.

Inb4 people come up with very cruel things the Europeans have done.
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Old 02-10-2013, 12:26 PM   #46
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I blame evolution.

In order to survive as a species, we had to have some sort of ability to be "evil" and violent. That trait still exists today and, obviously, it isn't going to go away any time soon.

Altruism is the key evolutionary trait that creates population booms and security. It also creates an environment for cruel figures to stay alive and prosper as well, feeding off of the altruistic system. No society has ever survived by ignoring and attacking infants because they don't contribute capital or useful skills towards the society.
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Old 02-10-2013, 12:27 PM   #47
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Please, animals has no cruelty compared to humans, its all but natural survival for them. mind what you say.

human cruelty though, I have yet to understand the source. But nowadays its not from the source anymore, it is from wrong teaching.
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Old 02-10-2013, 06:11 PM   #48
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Please, animals has no cruelty compared to humans, its all but natural survival for them. mind what you say.

human cruelty though, I have yet to understand the source. But nowadays its not from the source anymore, it is from wrong teaching.
What you're saying is so incredibly wrong that I don't even know how to begin explaining why.
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Old 02-11-2013, 06:04 PM   #49
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the constant need to fulfill curiosity is what we call will, but it has come to a point where we all do things simply to see what happens, and also because we can.

So people do incredibly cruel things just because they want to see what it looks like? Sorry, but that just doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
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Old 02-11-2013, 06:16 PM   #50
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Proof we evolved from animals? While I don't doubt evolution, nor do I deny that we humans are also animals (a word we invented to describe conscious lifeforms, which we categorized into different species and "races" which are also just man-made constructs), I believe a certain level of intelligence is required to be capable of true evil. You have to know what you're doing is wrong.

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Old 02-11-2013, 06:20 PM   #51
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What you're saying is so incredibly wrong that I don't even know how to begin explaining why.


When you have time to collect your thoughts, I'd like for you to explain why, if you don't mind.

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I only learned about it as a brief part of WWII history, which wasn't taught in lots of detail. I mean, there isn't that much of a reason to put too much emphasis on it anyway - there are plenty of examples of similar conduct in war.

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Old 02-12-2013, 05:02 AM   #57
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I don't see how being cruel is a trait that would beneficial to evolution..



Yeah, I was thinking the same thing....
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Old 02-12-2013, 06:02 AM   #59
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I don't see how being cruel is a trait that would beneficial to evolution. It's more than the japanese and some african tribes are an extra cruel culture within mankind.

Inb4 people come up with very cruel things the Europeans have done.


Maybe not cruelty as a trait in itself but I could definitely see how many necessary aspects of it could provide an evolutionary advantage. For example the very sharp limits on groups/experiences which evoke empathy. I think evolution probably makes it a possibility than actively selects for it but that's really just guesswork.
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Wow I never heard about Nanking...can't believe something so atrocious like that was allowed to happen...
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