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Old 02-11-2013, 03:36 AM   #1
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Flying V headstock opinion

Does anyone here think that a non angled back gibson Flying V headstock would look good?


Opinions and alternative shapes are welcome.


And please, no trolling or just being a dick in general.
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Old 02-11-2013, 04:45 AM   #2
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There are plenty of shapes out there that work nicely on a Flying-V, and plenty of "non-standard" and/or custom shapes that work well.



Personally I think that the following work with a V shape:
  • 11
  • 13
  • 17
  • 19
  • 20
  • 21
  • 22
  • 23
  • 25
  • 26

The more angular and sharp shapes will work better with a more modern V shape that also has sharp edges. For a more traditional V shape, like number 37, my personal choice would be 23. But it really depends on what look you're going for

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Old 02-11-2013, 04:57 AM   #3
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I love the 19 headstock but my only problem is that I can't angle it back.
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Old 02-11-2013, 05:05 AM   #4
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I love the 19 headstock but my only problem is that I can't angle it back.


Aaaand I completely mis-read your first post. Oops.

I don't see why it wouldn't look fine without being angled back
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Old 02-11-2013, 05:08 AM   #5
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Well also I'm not building a neck I am reshaping a headstock.
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Old 02-11-2013, 06:16 AM   #6
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I don't really think it'll look very good dude. If you offset the headstock face with the rest of the neck (like a Fender neck), it would look pretty ugly.
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Old 02-11-2013, 06:51 AM   #7
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I think the headstock angle is one of the important parts of the flying-v design. if you want to build guitars, learning to do a scarf-joint is a good skill.
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Old 02-11-2013, 12:21 PM   #8
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I don't really think it'll look very good dude. If you offset the headstock face with the rest of the neck (like a Fender neck), it would look pretty ugly.


No I mean that I'm going to make the headstock a square blank and then do it that way it's not off set.
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Old 02-12-2013, 01:33 AM   #9
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When I do the scarf joint and drill the peg holes would the tuners make the joint stronger because they tighten down like a bolt?
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Old 02-12-2013, 09:10 AM   #10
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No I mean that I'm going to make the headstock a square blank and then do it that way it's not off set.

So how are you going to stop the strings from jumping out of the nut? String trees are going to look hideous on a V.
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When I do the scarf joint and drill the peg holes would the tuners make the joint stronger because they tighten down like a bolt?

No.
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Old 02-12-2013, 09:41 AM   #11
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I think the headstock angle is one of the important parts of the flying-v design.
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String trees are going to look hideous on a V.
While I'm having a hard time understanding how you're going about this, I'm here to offer a different opinion from the above. I don't see why a flat headstock with string trees is going to look terribly awful just because you're using shape 19 instead of 14 or 15.
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Old 02-12-2013, 09:57 AM   #12
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While I'm having a hard time understanding how you're going about this, I'm here to offer a different opinion from the above. I don't see why a flat headstock with string trees is going to look terribly awful just because you're using shape 19 instead of 14 or 15.

It's just my opinion.
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Old 02-12-2013, 10:48 AM   #13
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It's just my opinion.
I know that. I respect both yours and eddie's opinions, mine happens to be different in this case. Opinions were asked for and have been supplied. No harm, no foul.

To be fair, if the TS is going to hack off the current 'stock and graft on a new one with a scarf joint then it may as well be angled. But I keep re-reading his posts and I'm still not sure what he's up to. I was rather concerned that he thought the the peg holes would be anywhere near the scarf joint.
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Old 02-12-2013, 08:43 PM   #14
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Ok here is my plan cut headstock down to a shape that is able to have pieces glued on to make it a square, then I will cut my final shape and paint it.
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Old 02-12-2013, 08:47 PM   #15
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So how are you going to stop the strings from jumping out of the nut? String trees are going to look hideous on a V.

No.

String retainer bar thing.



And why would it not make it stronger? It would be like clamping it down.
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Old 02-12-2013, 11:44 PM   #16
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String retainer bar thing.



And why would it not make it stronger? It would be like clamping it down.

I agree, a string retainer bar would look ok.

I don't quite get what you're saying about the tuners reinforcing the scarf joint. The scarf joint doesn't need reinforcement, it's already reinforced with the glue in it. The weakest point in your headstock is going to be the short grain at the truss rod, where the angle begins.
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Old 02-13-2013, 12:05 AM   #17
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I agree, a string retainer bar would look ok.

I don't quite get what you're saying about the tuners reinforcing the scarf joint. The scarf joint doesn't need reinforcement, it's already reinforced with the glue in it. The weakest point in your headstock is going to be the short grain at the truss rod, where the angle begins.

Diagram please? I mean that when the tuners holes get re drilled and the tuners put in would it be like running a bolt through it? Also I plan for the scarf joint to half of the head stock length.
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Old 02-13-2013, 12:22 AM   #18
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This is a Gibson neck, cut in half. That spot where the wood is only 1/4" thick is the weakest point.



And I don't know if just adding bolts and washers to something makes it stronger, I'm not an engineer, but I do know that you're talking about reinforcing something that doesn't need to be reinforced. In other words, don't worry about it.
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Old 02-13-2013, 01:34 AM   #19
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This is a Gibson neck, cut in half. That spot where the wood is only 1/4" thick is the weakest point.



And I don't know if just adding bolts and washers to something makes it stronger, I'm not an engineer, but I do know that you're talking about reinforcing something that doesn't need to be reinforced. In other words, don't worry about it.

Ok thanks, I decided not to angle it though so alls good.
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Old 02-13-2013, 01:53 AM   #20
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I can imagine a old school v headstock not angled with a retainer bar. In my minds eye it looks good 'n funky 60's-y
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