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Old 02-15-2013, 06:09 PM   #1
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Made in the USA Epiphone Les Paul Special II

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In my buddy's music classroom we discovered this guitar. It's atleast 10 years old and the body is on good shape. Besides fretwork is this guitar worth fixing up? I bet the tuners and the pickups need to be replaced. Is the body and neck mahogany? If It's not, why not? Please no "of course not, it's an Epiphone -duh" replies.

The sticker on the guitar said it was made in the USA custom shop, and it had a Gibson truss rod cover. Not that any of that particularly means anything.
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Old 02-15-2013, 06:17 PM   #2
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It is not American made. American made Special II's just do not exist. A sticker on the back of it doesn't mean anything. Epiphones are sometimes labelled 'Custom Shop' when they aren't at all. They're just standard production guitars.

It is not worth doing anything to because Special II's are such pieces of crap. They are the worst Epiphones you can buy so they are not worth putting any money into.

The neck is probably maple and the body is probably either Alder or Plywood. Reason being that mahogany is too expensive to be used on such a cheap guitar.
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Old 02-15-2013, 07:19 PM   #3
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Hello all,

In my buddy's music classroom we discovered this guitar. It's atleast 10 years old and the body is on good shape. Besides fretwork is this guitar worth fixing up? I bet the tuners and the pickups need to be replaced. Is the body and neck mahogany? If It's not, why not? Please no "of course not, it's an Epiphone -duh" replies.

The sticker on the guitar said it was made in the USA custom shop, and it had a Gibson truss rod cover. Not that any of that particularly means anything.


No Epi LP Special II has ever been made in the US

here is more information about them..

http://epiphonewiki.com/index.php/L...Paul_Special_II

It is NOT a crap guitar - you just get what you pay for....
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Old 02-15-2013, 08:08 PM   #4
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" Is the body and neck mahogany? If It's not, why not?" Well if it's not....it's not because it's a different wood.

but no, epi LP Special II's usually aren't worth it to upgrade, unless it's a project guitar.
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Old 02-15-2013, 08:15 PM   #5
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So it will look like a les paul, play like one, but not sound like one.
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Old 02-15-2013, 08:36 PM   #6
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No it'll probably sound like a les paul, a crap one though

but according to this:

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Epiphon...340-i1149983.gc

the modern ones are made of mahogany
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Old 02-15-2013, 08:47 PM   #7
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WHY NOT? BUT WHY NOT???
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Because race car.
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Old 02-15-2013, 09:16 PM   #9
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So it will look like a les paul, play like one, but not sound like one.

Won't sound or play like any halfway decent Les Paul. The basic shape and idea are the same but calling a Special II a Les Paul is like calling a meth lab a laboratory. Shit's all wrong.
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Epis used to have Gibson truss rod covers. The practice was eventually stopped because it was confusing people in the used guitar market.
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Epis used to have Gibson truss rod covers. The practice was eventually stopped because it was confusing people in the used guitar market.


It was used when Korean production of the Epi LPs and SGs started in 1989
to suggest it's relationship to Gibson
It stopped when Gibson/Epi opened their first own factory in QingDao, China in 2002
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Old 02-15-2013, 10:39 PM   #12
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Hmm they must be stupid people then. Truss rod covers can be swapped out, Headstocks generally cant... If you cant pick an Epi headstock from a Gibson headstock then its time to get that eye test youve been putting off for so long....
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Damn. As a potentially free guitar, I was hoping it would be worth fixing up.
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Old 02-15-2013, 11:31 PM   #14
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Make it a project guitar if the neck's straight.

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Damn. As a potentially free guitar, I was hoping it would be worth fixing up.



if the neck isn't warped, and the frets look okay, the only thing it would really need would be tuners (maybe) and a good set-up. for a little bit of work and money, you could have a playable guitar.

it definitely won't be anything like a full-on Les Paul- it just isn't one- but it will be a tolerable guitar.

at worst, sell it for a pack of strings or something. you're probably going to end up money ahead (surprisingly easy when you start with no investment)
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The neck is really nice and the body is mint. One of the pickups is loose. The strings are gone. I knew I would need new tuners. I was thinking of putting SD Alnico 2 pros in it. But if I can't get that sweet Les Paul sound, not sure I want to put the effort in.
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Ippon and KK

The neck is really nice and the body is mint. One of the pickups is loose. The strings are gone. I knew I would need new tuners. I was thinking of putting SD Alnico 2 pros in it. But if I can't get that sweet Les Paul sound, not sure I want to put the effort in.

If you want to re-do it, use www.guitarfetish.com they have good parts and pickups for really cheap
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Ippon and KK

The neck is really nice and the body is mint. One of the pickups is loose. The strings are gone. I knew I would need new tuners. I was thinking of putting SD Alnico 2 pros in it. But if I can't get that sweet Les Paul sound, not sure I want to put the effort in.

You won't get the sound of a ''full'' Les Paul from it, ever. Bolt-on, flat-top guitars can't replicate the sound of a set neck, carved top guitar, even if they use the same woods (and vice-versa).
What it can sound like is a Les Paul Junior or Special. If that's a tone you like, great. If not, you're going to be disappointed.

And for what it's worth, A2Ps would be just abotu the worst pickups you could put in it if you want the thicker, normal Les Paul tone. The point of A2Ps is that they have a very clear, open and flat tone, and really let the guitar itself decide what sort of tone you get. It's hard to explain, but think of it as sort of magnifying the natural tone of the guitar. In a normal Les Paul, this will mean you get an even thicker and more resonant tone. In a LP Special-II it means you'll get an even thinner and flatter tone.
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You won't get the sound of a ''full'' Les Paul from it, ever. Bolt-on, flat-top guitars can't replicate the sound of a set neck, carved top guitar, even if they use the same woods (and vice-versa).
What it can sound like is a Les Paul Junior or Special. If that's a tone you like, great. If not, you're going to be disappointed.


I have no idea what those sound like, as this one is unplayable.

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And for what it's worth, A2Ps would be just abotu the worst pickups you could put in it if you want the thicker, normal Les Paul tone. The point of A2Ps is that they have a very clear, open and flat tone, and really let the guitar itself decide what sort of tone you get. It's hard to explain, but think of it as sort of magnifying the natural tone of the guitar. In a normal Les Paul, this will mean you get an even thicker and more resonant tone. In a LP Special-II it means you'll get an even thinner and flatter tone.


That is worth a lot. What would you recommend instead?
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Cool site, but the pickups appear to have no brand names. How would I know how the sound?
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