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Old 02-18-2013, 12:38 AM   #81
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The US isn't going anywhere, its power will wane as China and other powers rise up, but it will still be a super power going well into this century. Emerging economies always have faster growth rates because, well, they're coming from basically nothing so growth is explosive when it happens. Eventually, China's massive growth will cool down. China is also plagued by a series of domestic issues like hundreds of millions living in squalor, massive pollution, human rights issues, supremely pissed off neighbors, etc

China has a very long way to go militarily as well to match the US. Everyone does. Right now, the US is pretty much the only nation able to project power on a world wide scale. Look at the French for example, they relied on the US to transport its troops to Mali and to refuel their aircraft.
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Old 02-18-2013, 12:48 AM   #82
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The US isn't going anywhere, its power will wane as China and other powers rise up, but it will still be a super power going well into this century. Emerging economies always have faster growth rates because, well, they're coming from basically nothing so growth is explosive when it happens. Eventually, China's massive growth will cool down. China is also plagued by a series of domestic issues like hundreds of millions living in squalor, massive pollution, human rights issues, supremely pissed off neighbors, etc

China has a very long way to go militarily as well to match the US. Everyone does. Right now, the US is pretty much the only nation able to project power on a world wide scale. Look at the French for example, they relied on the US to transport its troops to Mali and to refuel their aircraft.


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Old 02-18-2013, 04:45 AM   #83
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America would need to be an empire first.


american empire?
You mean like the territory that was taking from native american indians??

Or the illegal overthrow of the Hawaiian monarchy by the U.S.government in order to get Hawaii??
I live in Hawaii, and some native Hawaiians are trying to separate from the USA, it's called the sovereignty movement.
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Old 02-18-2013, 04:50 AM   #84
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By that logic Canada is an empire. Lololol
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Old 02-18-2013, 07:34 AM   #85
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"Korean dramas are so popular that professors from universities across the USA came here in Hawaii a couple of years ago to have a conference about Korean dramas and their effect on world culture,"

Bragging asian op.

The world watches the USA's media, I can't name a single Korean TV show or film.

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Also, average quality of life (related to the issues you listed) might not yet be as high as in the west I think that's one aspect that many people overlook when talking about the economic emergence China, India, Brazil etc.



Might not yet be as high as the west?

Rural China and basically all of India are terrible places to live in and are incredibly disgusting.

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Old 02-18-2013, 07:37 AM   #86
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tl;dr America is gonna fall, China is taking over, if you're not American you don't give a shit, if you are - our sympathies
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Old 02-18-2013, 08:26 AM   #87
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They're weaning themselves off coal at an impressive rate and australia's got a heap of coal too, if I was china, I'd invade us, we're little (population wise), and fairly nearby and other nearby countries are pretty ****ed up except for new zealand.

As if this would happen when they can just buy it off of Australia, its probably a lot cheaper than attempting to invade a country.
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Old 02-18-2013, 08:33 AM   #88
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It depend upon how America acts in the future.

Let's take a look at Israel as an example, although it's not an empire but rather a nation. Historicaly Israel has been one of the most raided and captured places in history. It started off some time before about 3000 years ago as Canaan, which was under Egyptian rule, then it was taken over by the Hebrews and became the first Kingdom of Israel, then the Babylonians took over, then the Persians, then the Macedonian ruler Alexander the Great, then the Romans, then the Byzantines, then the Arabs, ect, ect, until today, we have a modern State of Israel which is still being fought over by different factions.

Y'see? After 3000 years of being fought over and taken over by every force around it, Israel is still there, because it wasn't considered as a threat to anyone, it was always an occupied place rather than a place that occupied other places. If it was considered as a threat to other places, like Babylon or Rome, then it's fate would probably eventualy have been the same as the Babylonian, Persian and Roman empires... which no longer exist.

I would suggest that the lesson that America needs to learn from history in order to survive indefinately as a nation is to not be considered as a threat by other nations.
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Old 02-18-2013, 09:05 AM   #89
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Might not yet be as high as the west?

Rural China and basically all of India are terrible places to live in and are incredibly disgusting.


I guess that reinforces my point I've never been there though, and I'd rather not base my opinion on the things the media highlights. Hence the 'might be'.
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Old 02-18-2013, 09:06 AM   #90
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these kinds of threads. it's what the Pit does best.
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Old 02-18-2013, 09:08 AM   #91
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I believe the USA will fall, but not the way many believe it will. I really think at some point in the next 50-60 years, Americans will see another group of states secede. The gap in cultures is still a big one between northern and southern states. Economies, as well as ideals are at times an extreme difference.
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Old 02-18-2013, 09:08 AM   #92
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american empire?
You mean like the territory that was taking from native american indians??

Or the illegal overthrow of the Hawaiian monarchy by the U.S.government in order to get Hawaii??
I live in Hawaii, and some native Hawaiians are trying to separate from the USA, it's called the sovereignty movement.

the English called, they wanted to tell you how quaint that empire sounds.
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Old 02-18-2013, 09:11 AM   #93
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Old 02-18-2013, 09:11 AM   #94
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Or the illegal overthrow of the Hawaiian monarchy by the U.S.government in order to get Hawaii??
I live in Hawaii, and some native Hawaiians are trying to separate from the USA, it's called the sovereignty movement.


and surely that's the native population of Hawaii right?
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Old 02-18-2013, 10:59 AM   #95
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America will not fall. If anything, I see america becoming the world government in the (pretty distant) future.
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Old 02-18-2013, 11:02 AM   #96
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America will not fall. If anything, I see america becoming the world government in the (pretty distant) future.


how is that going to happen? by force or by a co-decision? i can't see anyone wanting that and i can't see america invading country after country to see it come true?

dumbest shit ive ever heard really.
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Old 02-18-2013, 11:25 AM   #97
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Same with the states seceding crap. Why would anyone think that would ever happen? Rednecks in the south wouldn't secede ever ever ever, they love 'merica way too much.
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Old 02-18-2013, 11:33 AM   #98
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Same with the states seceding crap. Why would anyone think that would ever happen? Rednecks in the south wouldn't secede ever ever ever, they love 'merica way too much.



You must not live in America.

I think this is possible. I personally doubt it would happen, but it definitely could. Just last week in our town newspaper a new policeman put a letter describing that if a gun ban passed (banning high capacity magazines, semi-auto firearms, and things like that), he would only help citizens. He said he would not seize any of their property because of that and would support their ownership of it.

If America's police forces are already showing signs of defection, there isn't much stopping another attempt to secede. Like I said, I doubt it will happen, but it's within a realm of possibility.

America will fall, there's no question about it. How they will fall is what I'm not sure about. I don't think it will be some piddly economic collapse or anything, this will be other countries teaming up to fight. I don't know when or who will really start it, but it will fall.
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The USA's decline will be gradual, and it's already begun...

We will see it go from #1 world power to just another global player, just as irrelevant as the rest. Not necessarily a terrible thing.
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You must not live in America.

I think this is possible. I personally doubt it would happen, but it definitely could. Just last week in our town newspaper a new policeman put a letter describing that if a gun ban passed (banning high capacity magazines, semi-auto firearms, and things like that), he would only help citizens. He said he would not seize any of their property because of that and would support their ownership of it.

If America's police forces are already showing signs of defection, there isn't much stopping another attempt to secede. Like I said, I doubt it will happen, but it's within a realm of possibility.

America will fall, there's no question about it. How they will fall is what I'm not sure about. I don't think it will be some piddly economic collapse or anything, this will be other countries teaming up to fight. I don't know when or who will really start it, but it will fall.

The south can secede

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