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Old 02-19-2013, 11:29 AM   #21
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Which are you talking about?
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Old 02-19-2013, 06:25 PM   #22
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Depends what sort of sound you're after and how long you're willing to spend dialing in a tone. The Spider Valve can do a helluva lot more than the Vypyr Tube can, plus they've got inherently different tones since the Spider Valve is rocking twice the valves for the preamp; their gain structures are really quite different. They're equal, really. It's like saying a Dual Rectifier is better than a JCM800 which is better than a Twin Reverb which is better than a Dual Rectifier. Different strokes, different folks.

But there is no denying the Spider IV is atrocious.
The SV sounds like it's sitting at the bottom of a pond. Didn't like it all. I'd definitely say it sounds worse.Not just different; worse.
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Old 02-19-2013, 07:47 PM   #23
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Which are you talking about?

The spider iv.
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Old 02-19-2013, 07:55 PM   #24
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The SV sounds like it's sitting at the bottom of a pond. Didn't like it all. I'd definitely say it sounds worse.Not just different; worse.

See and I owned a SV for 3-4 yrs and I liked it much better than the Vypyr tube. But like I said it took over a yr to get 4 really good patches saved. Mine also had the Strymon SVpre installed about 1 1/2 yrs after I first bought it and that mod did wonders for the amp.
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Ah, that explains it then. Did the Strymon mod remove the mud?
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Ah, that explains it then. Did the Strymon mod remove the mud?

The strymon mod actually puts a 12ax7 tube in the signal path of the amp.
The SV does not have a 12ax7 for the actual signal path. In the SV V1 is actually giving power to the internal POD system. and V2 is the PI. So in reality there is absolutely no tubes in the signal path except the power section. The SVpre mod put a 12ax7 directly before the DSP section, in the signal path and it gave 3 diffrent modes for the SVpre.

It really sucks that they don't make them any more, they turned a great idea into a really good amp. I kinda regret selling it now even though I never played it anymore
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You'd be better off running a hd500 into the DSL I would have thought.
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You'd be better off running a hd500 into the DSL I would have thought.

I bought the DSL last August and I sold the SV in sept. I had not used the SV in over 3 yrs. I bought it for a covers band I was playing in and it served its purpose well. I used a Uberschall and a JSX for a while in my Punk/Hardcore band, but Economy went south and my Bogner and Jsx went to pay bills (damn needy kids )
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I only read the OP but my suggestion is:









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LOL@Trollthread

I'm still enjoying the discussion though.
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Don't listen to these fools rhetoric about how these are terrible amps. It's a circlejerk you'll find on this forum. Most of the people saying line 6 spider's are rubbish probably haven't even played through one and are repeating this whole charade because it makes them fit in and feel like they have a popular opinion.

They are a good value for money. I've had a spider IV 30 watt for the past 2 years and it does exactly what i want it to do and was much cheaper than anything else i heard in guitar stores that was sold "as new". If you know what tone you are after, you can get it.

Don't be put down by the vocal minority.
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Oh boy another one of these guys.....
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Don't listen to these fools rhetoric about how these are terrible amps. It's a circlejerk you'll find on this forum. Most of the people saying line 6 spider's are rubbish probably haven't even played through one and are repeating this whole charade because it makes them fit in and feel like they have a popular opinion.

They are a good value for money. I've had a spider IV 30 watt for the past 2 years and it does exactly what i want it to do and was much cheaper than anything else i heard in guitar stores that was sold "as new". If you know what tone you are after, you can get it.

Don't be put down by the vocal minority.


Agreed, it's down to preference, but the earth would have to be 10x as stupid to have kept Line 6 Spiders in business if the Vypyrs were that much more godly. And the whole commission myth has been busted by a few users here who have worked for guitar center in the past.

Seriously, the last time I went to a GC, they literally had the Spiders and Vypyrs across from one another, trying to make excuses for their sales records makes you sound like you're one of those 15 year olds against the system.

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I don't own either and I agree with him

We should really get a double blind test going, if as many of you could discern between the two amps, I'd take back any criticisms of this group think immediately
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The spider iv.
It's technically a step up from the Spider III, but loses out to the Spider II and original on build quality; nonetheless, each of the solid state Spider line have been atrocious. The Flextone amps, which came before them, were good; the Spider Valve, even if it was solid state (which it isn't), at least has newer, less dominating digital modeling (though the fact that it's also got a valve preamp and power amp also make it better in many peoples' eyes, modeling be damned).

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The SV sounds like it's sitting at the bottom of a pond. Didn't like it all. I'd definitely say it sounds worse.Not just different; worse.
Then I'd suggest you can't have spent long with it, because it's inherently a very bright-sounding amp; it's the only valve amp I've ever used where I didn't want to keep the presence control maxed out all the time.

I know I reference them every time, but well, here are a couple of Spider Valves in action
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It's technically a step up from the Spider III, but loses out to the Spider II and original on build quality; nonetheless, each of the solid state Spider line have been atrocious. The Flextone amps, which came before them, were good; the Spider Valve, even if it was solid state (which it isn't), at least has newer, less dominating digital modeling (though the fact that it's also got a valve preamp and power amp also make it better in many peoples' eyes, modeling be damned).

Then I'd suggest you can't have spent long with it, because it's inherently a very bright-sounding amp; it's the only valve amp I've ever used where I didn't want to keep the presence control maxed out all the time.

I know I reference them every time, but well, here are a couple of Spider Valves in action

The SV does not have a tube preamp. 1 12ax7 is to give power to the built in POD 2.0 the other is the PI. There is no 12ax7 in the signal path of the preamp. They only marketed it that way. The Strymon SVpre was the only way to get an actual 12ax7 in the preamp signal path.

And yes I thought it was a brighter amp my presence was arou 9-10 o'clock
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It wasn't that it wasn't bright enough, it was muddy in so much as there was no definition to the sound. Just a muffled mess.
I didn't get to **** with it much but the guy in the shop was trying to dial in a decent sound in order to sell me a guitar after I told him the Marshall MA he initially plugged me into was disgusting.
If one spent a couple of years editing patches then maybe it could be made sound ok but the stock sounds were extremely uninspiring. I could shit out an amp that sounded better.
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It wasn't that it wasn't bright enough, it was muddy in so much as there was no definition to the sound. Just a muffled mess.
I didn't get to **** with it much but the guy in the shop was trying to dial in a decent sound in order to sell me a guitar after I told him the Marshall MA he initially plugged me into was disgusting.
If one spent a couple of years editing patches then maybe it could be made sound ok but the stock sounds were extremely uninspiring. I could shit out an amp that sounded better.


Will the amp you poop out be tube or solid state? I'm guessing solid state because tubes cause indigestion.
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If one spent a couple of years editing patches then maybe it could be made sound ok but the stock sounds were extremely uninspiring.
Well yes, there is your problem. Since when have stock settings—on any product, ever-been any good?

"Muddy" and "no definition" are precisely the things you can't enforce on a Spider Valve even if you want to. 'S why they've been a hit with the extended scale crowd, you can have a baritone 8-string chugging along and every note is as clear as an E Standard 6-string throuhg a normal amp. Of course, the Spider Valve isn't quite as clear as the Vetta or HD147 were, those are still the kings of the alternative chord-grinding world, but they're the next best thing.

I won't deny that Spider Valves have their problems—there's a good reason why I stick to Line 6's legacy products and not their new ones, myself—but muddy is the last thing I would ever associate with one.

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The SV does not have a tube preamp. 1 12ax7 is to give power to the built in POD 2.0 the other is the PI. There is no 12ax7 in the signal path of the preamp. They only marketed it that way. The Strymon SVpre was the only way to get an actual 12ax7 in the preamp signal path.
Incorrect. In fact, you can plug your guitar signal in to the back of the amp and bypass the software (which isn't based on POD 2.0, I've no idea where you got that from) entirely, using only the valve preamp and power amp. It doesn't sound very good, of course, because it was designed to sound as flat as possible to let the software do its thing properly, but it's an option that is there.

If there's no speaker cab (or dummy load) connected, your signal simply goes through the software and to the cab simulated out. The valves don't get touched. If there is a cab/load connected, your signal goes in, is converted to digital, goes through the software (whatever settings you so choose), then is converted back to an analog signal, then on to the preamp. After the preamp it procedes to the power amp as usual, with only the presence control and effects loop alongside (the software can also enforce a few specific effects, like delay, in at the loop).
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Well yes, there is your problem. Since when have stock settings—on any product, ever-been any good?
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