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Old 02-20-2013, 01:36 PM   #61
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They do have that, to be fair


They have based on their race but the races are not equally represented in the economic possesion etc in the country.
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Shooter, a hint, social class has more to do with crime than race.
Then how do you explain the low crime rates in the Appalachian Mountain chain? Those people living in Appalachia don't come any more socially deprived or financially impoverished. They can't afford to spend $300 on the latest pair of Nike sneakers or risk getting shot for wearing them.

The people of Appalachia aren't raping, robbing, and murdering their neighbors, and they aren't out doing drive by shootings either. They don't stab or shoot someone because they feel "disrespected" either.

I'd say that the people of Appalachia are on the bottom of the social ladder, but commit far less murder than these rich and famous, high on the social ladder types like O.J. Simpson, Rae Carruth, Rubin “Hurricane” Carter, Hiroshi Ogawa, Bruno Souza, Robert Rozier, and Gavin Grant to name a few.

How do you explain this phenomenon? This is a matter of genetics and not environment at play here.

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Then how do you explain the low crime rates in the Appalachian Mountain chain? Those people living in Appalachia don't come any more socially deprived or financially impoverished. They can't afford to spend $300 on the latest pair of Nike sneakers or risk getting shot for wearing them.

The people of Appalachia aren't raping, robbing, and murdering their neighbors, and they aren't out doing drive by shootings either. They don't stab or shoot someone because they feel "disrespected" either.

I'd say that the people of Appalachia are on the bottom of the social ladder, but commit far less murder than these rich and famous, high on the social ladder types like O.J. Simpson, Rae Carruth, Rubin “Hurricane” Carter, Hiroshi Ogawa, Bruno Souza, Robert Rozier, and Gavin Grant to name a few.

How do you explain this phenomenon?


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They do have that, to be fair

I mean, in theory, I guess it's true.

But in my area, around Philadelphia, the schools in the city are terrible and the school outside the city are fairly good. The majority of blacks in the area live in the city so they aren't really getting as good of an education.

It just goes in a circle though since they aren't getting a good education they can't move on to higher education, and then can't move out of the social class they are born into.


I wasn't trying to say they aren't allowed to have the same education.
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Then how do you explain the low crime rates in the Appalachian Mountain chain? Those people living in Appalachia don't come any more socially deprived or financially impoverished. They can't afford to spend $300 on the latest pair of Nike sneakers or risk getting shot for wearing them.

The people of Appalachia aren't raping, robbing, and murdering their neighbors, and they aren't out doing drive by shootings either. They don't stab or shoot someone because they feel "disrespected" either.

I'd say that the people of Appalachia are on the bottom of the social ladder, but commit far less murder than these rich and famous, high on the social ladder types like O.J. Simpson, Rae Carruth, Rubin “Hurricane” Carter, Hiroshi Ogawa, Bruno Souza, Robert Rozier, and Gavin Grant to name a few.

How do you explain this phenomenon?

White men have caused more destruction than any demographic. Serial killers? Almost always white men. All the shootings we've been having? White men.
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Then how do you explain the low crime rates in the Appalachian Mountain chain? Those people living in Appalachia don't come any more socially deprived or financially impoverished. They can't afford to spend $300 on the latest pair of Nike sneakers or risk getting shot for wearing them.

The people of Appalachia aren't raping, robbing, and murdering their neighbors, and they aren't out doing drive by shootings either. They don't stab or shoot someone because they feel "disrespected" either.

I'd say that the people of Appalachia are on the bottom of the social ladder, but commit far less murder than these rich and famous, high on the social ladder types like O.J. Simpson, Rae Carruth, Rubin “Hurricane” Carter, Hiroshi Ogawa, Bruno Souza, Robert Rozier, and Gavin Grant to name a few.

How do you explain this phenomenon? This is a matter of genetics and not environment at play here.


If everyone's poor there's **** all to steal/kill for. Crime is mostly caused by economic disparity, not simple poorness/poverty.
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Then how do you explain the low crime rates in the Appalachian Mountain chain? Those people living in Appalachia don't come any more socially deprived or financially impoverished. They can't afford to spend $300 on the latest pair of Nike sneakers or risk getting shot for wearing them.

The people of Appalachia aren't raping, robbing, and murdering their neighbors, and they aren't out doing drive by shootings either. They don't stab or shoot someone because they feel "disrespected" either.

I'd say that the people of Appalachia are on the bottom of the social ladder, but commit far less murder than these rich and famous, high on the social ladder types like O.J. Simpson, Rae Carruth, Rubin “Hurricane” Carter, Hiroshi Ogawa, Bruno Souza, Robert Rozier, and Gavin Grant to name a few.

How do you explain this phenomenon? This is a matter of genetics and not environment at play here.

OR it could be the case of a few individuals. Why must you group all people together based on that?
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White men have caused more destruction than any demographic. Serial killers? Almost always white men. All the shootings we've been having? White men.

Yes but as I said to shooters question.
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Correlation=/=causation.


Considering that the higher concentration of non-white populations in mostly white countries will be in poorer areas and inner cities, this isn't surprising.

Them being a certain race doesn't cause them to be more prone to crime, being a certain race is more associated with socioeconomic conditions that mean crime is more prevalent.


Then you'll have to explain why the poorest and lowliest people on the socio-economic ladder, the people of Appalachia, aren't out raping, robbing, and murdering at the same rates as non-Whites similarly situated.

No one is more disadvantaged or as poor as the people of Appalachia.
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Then you'll have to explain why the poorest and lowliest people on the socio-economic ladder, the people of Appalachia, aren't out raping, robbing, and murdering at the same rates as non-Whites similarly situated.

No one is more disadvantaged or as poor as the people of Appalachia.

>implying inner city culture is the same as appalachia
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Then you'll have to explain why the poorest and lowliest people on the socio-economic ladder, the people of Appalachia, aren't out raping, robbing, and murdering at the same rates as non-Whites similarly situated.

No one is more disadvantaged or as poor as the people of Appalachia.

It's been explained.
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White men have caused more destruction than any demographic. Serial killers? Almost always white men. All the shootings we've been having? White men.
It's just that the media focuses only on White criminals (serial\spree killers) and downplays minority crimes or covers them up altogether.

The White serial killer myth is just that: a myth. Look at the facts and you'll see that black males outnumber White serial\spree killers by a wide margin.

Black Serial Killers (List not anywhere near complete. This is just a fraction of them.)

1. Matthew Emanuel Macon (Murdered and Raped 5 White Women in Lansing)
2. Jimmie Reed (Murdered his wife and his 2 month old daughter and set them on fire)
3. Shelly Brooks (Murdered 7 prostitutes in Detroit Cass Corridor)
4. Justin Blackshere (Stabbed two white cooks at Cheli’s Chili downtown Detroit)
5. Jervon Miguel Coleman (Murdered three people.)
6. Donell Ramon Johnson (Murdered a mother and a daughter)
7. Brian Ranard Davis (6 women known murdered by ******)
8. Paul Durousseau (Seven women)
9. Mark Goudeau “The Baseline Killer” (Eight women and a man in 2005-2006)
10. Coral Eugene Watts (Found Guilty of Killing 11 women in TX & 1 in MI. Suspected of Murdering Over 100 Women)
11. Anthony McKnight (Five girls and young women)
12. Derrick Todd Lee (8 Women)
13. Charles Lendelle Carter (4 known murders; admits to ‘hunting’ Atlantans for 15 years!)
14. The Zebra Killings (71 White people)
15. Chester Turner (L.A.s most prolific killer 12 women killed.)
16. Lorenzo J. Gilyard (Kansas City, MO.—13 victims)
17. Eugene Victor Britt (Gary, IN.–3 known murder/rapes.)
18. Reginald and Jonathan Carr (The Wichita Massacre–6 Whites murdered)
19. Ray Joseph Dandridge and his uncle, Ricky Gevon Gray (Richmond, VA.–Murdered 7 people in 7 days, including an entire White family.)
20. The Tinley Park Murderer (Suspect hasn’t been found but has been described as black - murdered 5 women in a store.)
21. Henry Louis Wallace (Raped and strangled 5 women to death.)
22. Charles Johnston (Murdered 3 unarmed white men in hospital)
23. Craig Price (Brutally murdered 3 women)
24. Harrison Graham (Brually Murdered 3 women)
25. Charles Lee “Cookie” Thornton (Murdered 6 Whites at the Kirkwood, MO. city council. )
26. & 27. Darnell Hartsfeld & Romeo Pinkerton (Abducted and Murdered 5 from a restaurant)
28 &29. John Allen Muhammad & Lee Boyd Malvo (Sniped 11 people from a car in DC, 9 died.)
30. George Russell (3 women, WA state)
31. Timothy W. Spencer (5 killed, Arlington, VA and Richmond, VA)
32. Elton M. Jackson (12 gay men killed, Norfolk, VA area)
33. Carlton Gary (3 killed in Columbus, GA)
34. Mohammed Adam Omar (16 women, Yemen. Omar is Sudanese.)
35. Kendall Francois (8 women, Poughkeepsie, NY and surrounding areas.)
36. Terry A. Blair (8 women, Kansas City area)
37. Wayne Williams (33 many of them children!, Atlanta, GA)
38. Vaughn Greenwood (11 killed in LA)
39. Andre Crawford (10 killed in Chicago - southside)
40. Calvin Jackson (9 killed possibley more in NY)
41. Gregory Klepper (killed 8, Chicago – southside)
42. Alton Coleman (Killed 8 in the Midwest)
43. Harrison Graham (killed 7+ in N. Philadelphia)
44. Cleophus Prince (6 killed in, San Diego
45. Robert Rozier (7 killed in, Miami)
46. Maurice Byrd (killed 20 + in St. Louis)
47. Maury Travis (17 and rising, St. Louis and possibly also Atlanta)
48. Hulon Mitchell, a.k.a. Yahweh Ben Yahweh (killed 20+ in Florida)
49. Lorenzo Fayne (killed 5 children in East St. Louis, IL)
50. Paul Durousseau, (killed 6, two of which were pregnant women, Jacksonville, FL; Georgia.)
51. Eddie Lee Mosley (killed 25 to 30 women, south Florida)
52. Henry Lee Jones (killed 4 in, south Florida; Bartlett, TN)
53. Richard “Babyface” Jameswhite (15 killed in, New York; Georgia.)
54. Donald E. Younge, Jr. (killed 4), East St. Louis, IL; Salt Lake City, UT.
55. Ivan Hill (killed 6 in Los Angeles area).
56. Michael Vernon (Bronx, NY. Killed at least seven people - )
57. Chester Dewayne Turner (12 women killed in, Los Angeles

Also:

Latina Williams - Feb 2008 - Louisiana Technical College (3 dead, including self)
Peter Odighizuwa - Jan 2002 - Appalachian School of Law (3 killed, 3 wounded)
Mark James Robert Essex - Jan 1973 - New Orleans (9 dead, 13 wounded)
Christopher Williams - Aug 2006 - Essex, VT Elementary School (2 dead)
Stanley "Tookie" Williams - 1979 - Los Angeles (4 dead)

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Serial killers? Almost always white men.


This is only a myth actually. The most famous serial killers are all white but the white population is not over represented when it comes to serial killers.

Edit. Damn it, im going to look like a racist sympathizer again. I was just correcting a stereotype, not agreeing with ConcertShooter.

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The White serial killer myth is just that: a myth. Look at the facts and you'll see that black males outnumber White serial\spree killers by a wide margin.

Black Serial Killers (List not anywhere near complete. This is just a fraction of them.)




Stalin finds your list amusing.
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Give us sources, bro. Oh wait, you never do.
What sources do you want? You have the FBI\DOJ crime stat sources. You can look up the names of the black serial killers because they're right before your eyes. What else do you want?
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So, 50 black serial killers over time span of what? That can be anything from 100 years to a few years. I'm guessing the former.

And make another list with whites and the numbers will be higher in terms of casualties.

Not that I'm gonna enter this discussion about white/black serial killers but yeah.
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This is only a myth actually. The most famous serial killers are all white but the white population is not over represented when it comes to serial killers.

Edit. Damn it, im going to look like a racist sympathizer again. I was just correcting a stereotype, not agreeing with ConcertShooter.
Many of them are actually Jewish although Jews "look White."

Jewish Serial Killers

David Berkowitz (Son of Sam)
Nathaniel Bar-Jonah
Ed Gein
Joel Rifkin
Harold Shipman
Rodney Alcala
Herb Baumeister
Harvey Glatman
John Wayne Gacy
Albert DeSalvo
Charles Cohen
Jeffrey Dahmer
Peter Kudzinowski
Tillie Klimek
Henry Lee Lucas
Charles Schmid
Robert Shulman
Efren Saldivar
Leopold and Loeb
Randall Woodfield
Louis Fine
George Sack
Alfred Leonard Cline
Louis Neu
Ralph Jerome Selz
Edward Simon Wein
Harvey Murray Glatman
Robert Zarinsky
James Koedatich
Ralph Nuss
Gloria Tannenbaum
Milton Niport
Bertram Greenberg
Joseph Kallinger
William Rothstein
Joseph Fischer
Brian Kevin Rosenfeld
Robert Durst
Steven Oken
Nathan Trupp
Charles Mark Cohen
Jeffrey Feltner
Philip Carl Jablonski
Edward Isadore Savitz
Robert Shulman
Eyal Shachar
Salomon Rosenbloom
Norman Parker
James Eric Gottfried
Andrei Chikatilo

Louis Fine, active 1914-32. Married heiresses and killed them; at least six victims

George Sack, 1923-25, 32-54. Murdered for life-assurance; five known victims.

Alfred Leonard Cline, 1931-32, 43-45. Claimed at least nine victims: 1 Christian clergyman, 8 women.

Louis Neu, 1933-35. Just two known victims, both male; he is likely to have killed more.

Ralph Jerome Selz, 1930s. Was a con-man suspected of five murders.

Murder Inc., The Purple Gang, etc. The hitmen of the Jewish underworld are not normally included in lists of serial killers. They should be. Most are psychopaths who enjoy killing and torture. Benjamin 'Bugsy' Siegel’s famous quote “We only kill each other” was very far from the truth.

Edward Simon Wein, 1955-56, 1975. Began as a serial rapist marking Passover and New Moons; released from prison, he started killing.

Harvey Murray Glatman, 1957-58. Three known victims; he twice marked the Fast of Av.

Robert Zarinsky, 1958-74. Tried a ‘Nazi’ act, even desecrated a Jewish cemetery; Jewish sources say momma was a gentile; seven known victims: 1 cop, 6 teenage girls; the dates reveal his true loyalty.

James Koedatich, 1960-82. Killed at least four young girls and then a fellow prisoner.

Ralph Nuss, 1966. Three known victims.

Gloria Tannenbaum, 1969. Shot a professor of Russian history and poisoned two other people.

Milton Niport, ?-1970. “Jewish taxi-driver”, confessed to six murders.

Bertram Greenberg, ?-1971. Killed at least three, including a 13-year-old girl.

Joseph Kallinger, 1974-75. At least three victims; Schreiber’s ‘The Shoemaker’ pretends he was raised by German Catholics, but he followed the Jewish calendar and even dug a mikvah in his cellar.

David Berkowitz, ‘the Son of Sam’, 1976-77. Genetically 100% Jewish, not just raised by Jews.

William Rothstein, 1977-2003. Linked to at least four suspicious deaths.

Joseph Fischer, 1978-83. Shared Berkowitz’ fondness for 11ths and 29ths of the Jewish months; also marked a sabbath coinciding with 22nd Iyyar, same as the first Sabbath observed during the Exodus.

Brian Kevin Rosenfeld, 1982-90. Murderous nurse; he pled guilty on three specimen charges of murder, but is suspected of at least twenty-three.

Robert Durst,1982-2001. Heir to a billion dollar property empire, but also a serial-killer with three known victims.

Steven Oken, 1986-87. Tortured, raped and murdered at least three women.

Nathan Trupp, 1988. Killed a total of five people in two separate incidents.

Charles Mark Cohen, 1988-89. His nomadic lifestyle means his total of five victims could easily be an underestimate.

Jeffrey Feltner, 1988-89. Dying of AIDs, despatched eight or more Florida nursing-home patients.

Joel Rifkin,1989-93. New York State’s most prolific serial-killer with more than twenty prostitute victims.

Philip Carl Jablonski, 1991. At least five female victims.

Edward Isadore Savitz, 1991-92. Homosexual who deliberately spread AIDs virus among gentile boys.

Robert Shulman, 1991-96. Confessed to five prostitute murders; his brother helped dispose of at least one body.

Eyal Shachar, 2002-2004. A doctor engaged in life-insurance swindles; at least two female victims.

Salomon Rosenbloom (aka Sidney Reilly),1895-1925. Killed at least four victims, including a Christian priest.

Norman Parker, England, 1963, 1970. Quite open about his Jewishness.

James Eric Gottfried, ?-1987. Killed fourteen female victims all across Europe before hanging himself in an Athens jail; thus no trial and pitiful media coverage. His brother is a serial fraudster and his nephew committed a murder in Florida.

Andrei Chikatilo, 1978-90. Confessed to killing fifty-five children and teenagers; his non-Russian surname is unmistakably Jewish; see Enc. Jud. sv Gikatila.

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So, 50 black serial killers over time span of what? That can be anything from 100 years to a few years. I'm guessing the former.

And make another list with whites and the numbers will be higher in terms of casualties.

Not that I'm gonna enter this discussion about white/black serial killers but yeah.
Within the last 20 to 40 years.
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so, you hate communists, jews and blacks?

who else?

muslims I'm sure seeing as how you're american and generally just a redneck.


Yes, all Americans are generally rednecks, the dutch wear wooden shoes and dance whenever they're in proximity of tulips and windmills, The French all wear striped shirts, berets, and are pretentious asshats, and every Mexican wears a sombrero, has a thick moustache (even the women) and illegally immigrated at one time or another.

Any more stereotypes you want to get out of your system?

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