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Old 02-26-2013, 01:10 AM   #1
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Need an amp for a really HEAVY, metal tone with tons of bass

I've been searching for months for a guitar amp to achieve the tone I want but can't quite find it. I want an electric guitar amp that can achieve a monster heavy, metal tone with tons of bass for music similar to Doom metal, somewhat like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGRzstDcgO0. I need that deep bass punch since I often only jam with a drummer so I won't have a bass player. I also play thrash metal (Metallica etc) & hard rock (Zeppelin etc), as well as post-rock/indie rock so I need good cleans as well.

I've tried dual/triple rectifier stacks, peavey XXX2 stack, 6505 combo Valveking 212, Vypyr 75 and Vypyr Tube 60...the Valveking and Vypyr 75 (hated the built-in noise gate) come the closest because they have the deepest bass, but nothing seems to get enough low-end.

I'm wondering if I need to play through a bass amp, or some kind of combination of guitar amp and bass cab to get the low-end i'm looking for? Or do I just need an EQ pedal to crank the bass on ie: Valveking 112/212 or JSX 212, or will this not be enough bass or ruin the amp? What about ie: a JSX head running through a bass cab?

edit: I'm looking for a Doom/stoner sound, here's a video of the kind of tone I'm looking for: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKaGjhbA1Ps, especially notice the super heavy palm mutes starting at 2:45

- Budget: under $1000 would be nice
- new or used doesn't matter
- Current gear: Ibanez RG120, Digitech RP250 multi-FX, crappy 15w practice amp
- I play solo at home in my basement, and often jam with just a drummer, sometimes jam with full band.
- My city: Ottawa, Canada

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Old 02-26-2013, 01:15 AM   #2
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Try a Krankenstein +. More bass than ever needed.
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Old 02-26-2013, 01:23 AM   #3
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That tone in the video is probably one of the worst i think i've ever heard. Too each his own though, not trying to troll ya. most of the bass you are hearing is from an actual bass, so you really cant sound like that without a bass player. as for the actual guitar tone it resembles that of a marshall MG with the gain and treble dimed.
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Old 02-26-2013, 01:23 AM   #4
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Old 02-26-2013, 01:43 AM   #5
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You need a huge clean amp and a fuzz. Like an orange thunder verb, matamp, sunn, ampeg v4, traynor yba, fender twin, Marshall super bass, etc. then put a big muff in front of it.
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Old 02-26-2013, 02:12 AM   #6
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You need a huge clean amp and a fuzz. Like an orange thunder verb, matamp, sunn, ampeg v4, traynor yba, fender twin, Marshall super bass, etc. then put a big muff in front of it.


+1

i read doom a little different than i thought you described. and i will be honest i didn't look at the video until after. i for some reason was thinking more of like a deathcore than doom and was kind of sidetracked.

i love old sunn amps. hotdamn.
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Old 02-26-2013, 02:14 AM   #7
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I'm not huge on doom but playing it feels awesome. I plugged my friend's bass into his swollen pickle fuzz and acoustic 150 head and cranked it way up and it was just disgusting and awesome
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Old 02-26-2013, 02:17 AM   #8
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I'm not huge on doom but playing it feels awesome. I plugged my friend's bass into his swollen pickle fuzz and acoustic 150 head and cranked it way up and it was just disgusting and awesome


i love doom and stoner as well but i need it a little (i guess you could say) active to appreciate fully. hence me being a huge acid bath fan.
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Old 02-26-2013, 03:01 AM   #9
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Old 02-26-2013, 03:02 AM   #10
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i would like to see a demo of this...
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Old 02-26-2013, 04:27 AM   #11
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i would like to see a demo of this...



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Old 02-26-2013, 05:05 AM   #12
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That isn't brutal enough.

Get a 10 string and kick the bassist outta the band.
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Old 02-26-2013, 05:28 AM   #14
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An amp like a 5150 or dual rec would get you plenty of low end. The key thing to add to that is a solid cab (orange/mesa/splawn/avatar) and some thicker strings. You'd be shocked how much something as simple as a different string gauge can change your tone.
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That isn't brutal enough.

Get a 10 string and kick the bassist outta the band.



Bah. You can do that with an 8-string. Tosin Abasi approves of this message.
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Old 02-26-2013, 05:49 AM   #16
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Just because Sleep worship is a must in any doom thread, I'm going to throw out the Laney AOR Pro Tube 100. It's supposed to be closely related to the JCM800.

I've never played with one, but absolutely crushing live.
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Old 02-26-2013, 05:58 AM   #17
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Get some bass-heavy pickups in your guitar, if you don't already. Switching to a considerably larger string gauage will also help.

Using EQ units can shape your tone any way you need; if maximum bass thunk is what you want, try setting an EQ to boost the lowest frequencies and stick it in your amp's effects loop.

Make sure you have suitable speakers. You can't get monster bass out of a cheap, single 10"; it's hard not to get huge bass out of a a full stack of V30/T75.

Any valve amp that is powerful enough to comfortably drive two or more 12" speakers will go what you want. Peavey are a good brand for a slightly tighter tone, while Marshall and Orange are both good for a darker, sludgier tone. Of course, there are a million copies of their designs, too.
If you were willing to go for a solid state amp and buy used, I can recommend the Line 6 HD147, too. That thing is built specifically for putting out the heaviest low-end possible. Its lighter tones leave something to be desired, and you need to spend quite a while dialing in tones, but there's no other guitar amp on Earth that can make the floor rumble like the HD147 can.
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That new Schecter amp has a subwoofer in it.
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I saw their advertising campaign right when it came out and immediately did a 180....if this is true, it certainly wouldn't surprise me.
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Old 02-26-2013, 11:29 AM   #20
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If you are going for Electric wizzard tone, I'd suggest a fuzz pedal, you might want to look at Boss FZ-2, which I believe is what Electric Wizard used at their first albums. As far as amp goes, Laney GH100 will do the job just fine. But mind you, that Electric wizard "dark tone" comes from their bass tone, which compliments the guitar.
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