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Old 03-12-2013, 04:34 PM   #1
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Minor scale with major third

What would you call a minor scale with a major third?
Can be heard in Led Zeppelin's Kashmir, and it sounds quite oriental.
Is it a typical oriental scale?

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Old 03-12-2013, 04:39 PM   #2
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i'd call it a minor scale with a major third methinks
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Old 03-12-2013, 04:43 PM   #3
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Old 03-12-2013, 04:51 PM   #4
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Hindu scale
5th mode of melodic minor

Technically it wouldn't be minor because the 3rd dictates the quality of the scale. But just like you could say melodic minor is a major scale with a flatted 3rd, there's no harm in saying a minor scale with a raised 3rd
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Old 03-12-2013, 04:55 PM   #5
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Hindu scale
5th mode of melodic minor

Technically it wouldn't be minor because the 3rd dictates the quality of the scale. But just like you could say melodic minor is a major scale with a flatted 3rd, there's no harm in saying a minor scale with a raised 3rd


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Old 03-12-2013, 04:58 PM   #6
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Protip: Don't try to sum up the entirety of notes in a piece of music into a scale. That's not how it works.

If the song is in a minor key, then it's based off the natural minor scale. That doesn't mean that every accidental needs to be added to the minor scale, and you need a new name for those collections of notes. They're accidentals. Analyse them as they relate to the harmony.
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Old 03-12-2013, 05:01 PM   #7
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Hindu scale
5th mode of melodic minor

Technically it wouldn't be minor because the 3rd dictates the quality of the scale. But just like you could say melodic minor is a major scale with a flatted 3rd, there's no harm in saying a minor scale with a raised 3rd


Hmm, it can't be the fifth mode of a melodic minor, because that mode has a major third.

EDIT: NO IM JUST KIDDING. never mind.

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Old 03-12-2013, 05:05 PM   #8
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Hmm, it can't be the fifth mode of a melodic minor, because that mode has a major third.

EDIT: NO IM JUST KIDDING. never mind.

I was about to say haha.

You could also call it Mixolydian with a b6.

http://docs.solfege.org/3.21/C/scales/mel.html

The harmony is trippy

I(7) ii-7 iii-7(b5) IVmaj7 v-7 VImaj7(#5) VII(7)
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Old 03-12-2013, 05:11 PM   #9
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Protip: Don't try to sum up the entirety of notes in a piece of music into a scale. That's not how it works.

If the song is in a minor key, then it's based off the natural minor scale. That doesn't mean that every accidental needs to be added to the minor scale, and you need a new name for those collections of notes. They're accidentals. Analyse them as they relate to the harmony.


Of course, but this is for a school project. School likes analysing this kind of way haha
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Old 03-12-2013, 05:35 PM   #10
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Of course, but this is for a school project. School likes analysing this kind of way haha


No it doesn't. You just picked a piece of music that's too hard for you to analyse and got someone else to do your homework.
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Old 03-12-2013, 05:43 PM   #11
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No it doesn't. You just picked a piece of music that's too hard for you to analyse and got someone else to do your homework.



I think I'm only laughing, because i do the same thing sometimes


EDIT: I have no idea why anyone would want to analyze something like this anyways.
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Of course, but this is for a school project. School likes analysing this kind of way haha

No, dude, school does not.
No form of modern music analysis is based on summing all the present notes in a piece into a synthetic scale - western music is structured around harmony. Relate the accidentals to the underlying harmony.
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Old 03-12-2013, 06:19 PM   #13
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I would call it an ugly ****ing scale.
No Jplay it's actually rather nice sounding. But it don't matter cause if it resolves to a note than it's just in __ major and it likes to flirt with accidentals like that slut who flirts with me at the bars (i was an accident )
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Old 03-12-2013, 06:24 PM   #14
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alright, lets find out!

a minor (aeolean)
a-b-c-d-e-f-g

lets bump up that minor to a major third
a-b-c#-d-e-f-g

that screams D harmonic minor to me. d-e-f-g-a-db
it kinda lets you play weird chromatic blues style licks like

Code:
------------------------ ---------------5- -----5-6-7-8-7---7- -5-7---------------7-5- -----------------------7-6-5- -----------------------------8b-5-


if you were jammin to led zeppelin. jimmy uses a lot of chromatics like that. black dog is another example. he bends that c up a half step in the intro lick.
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Old 03-12-2013, 11:08 PM   #16
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I think this is a great example of how keys are nice
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Old 03-12-2013, 11:22 PM   #17
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Kashmir doesn't have a "minor scale with a major 3rd"
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Old 03-13-2013, 02:04 AM   #18
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Well it cant be a minor scale if it has a major third but I understand your point. I dont remember hearing that in that song though but I think this is what you mean maybe?

Melodic Dominant scale

A B C# D E F G

1 2 3 4 5 b6 b7
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Old 03-13-2013, 03:51 AM   #19
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Hey, now I remember why I stopped coming here lol

No offense, TS, of course. Just that it's another stereotypical thread about scales. People should pay more attention to Xioxxiaxaixai's signature.
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