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Old 03-12-2013, 09:40 PM   #1
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Something Wrong With My Tuning Or something

Ok just worked on the action on my Epiphone Les Paul. Raised it a bit. Tuned to Drop D. Not sure what its called. But when you hold the 5th fret on the string above and its the same note blah blah. Sorry for not knowing the technical terms. Any way. The B string on the 5th fret is a C....So yeah i don't know whats wrong. Any Ideas?
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Old 03-12-2013, 09:50 PM   #2
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Drop D is when you tune only the low E string down to D

Forgive me if I've got it wrong, but i think what you mean to say is that you tried to tune your guitar down to D standard (meaning you tuned all of the strings down a whole step) and made a mistake somewhere.

If that's the case, re tune
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Old 03-13-2013, 05:28 PM   #3
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Um no. I tuned to drop D....DADGBE. My B string on the fifth fret is only a C for some reason thats the only problem. I've never had this problem before. My bridge and everything is completely level. So I don't know what the deal is.
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Old 03-13-2013, 06:07 PM   #4
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For clarification, are you saying that when you play the string open it's tuned to B & when you fret the fifth fret it plays a C? If that's the case then either your tuner is bad off or you've got the wickedest intonation problem I've ever heard of. If your open string is flat then maybe you just forgot to re tune all of the strings after making adjustments.
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Old 03-13-2013, 06:50 PM   #5
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Correction. I got the strings mixed up when I posted last night. Its my G string sorry. It goes all the way down to C when on the fifth fret.
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Old 03-13-2013, 06:55 PM   #6
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So when you play the fifth fret of your G string, you get a C?

Well, that's how it should be. You can count intervals. Five frets = five semitones = a fourth. There's a fourth between G and C. B can be found on the 4th fret of the G string if that's what you are after. Did I understand you wrong or what?
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Old 03-13-2013, 06:56 PM   #7
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that's because C is the fifth fret of G

the G->B interval is a major 3rd rather than a 4th like the relationships between the other strings
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Old 03-13-2013, 07:03 PM   #8
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i thought it should be B because the string higher is a B. Plus when I do scales it sounds out of tune now.
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Old 03-13-2013, 07:13 PM   #9
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i thought it should be B because the string higher is a B. Plus when I do scales it sounds out of tune now.

Naw my nig the guitar is tuned in fourths EXCEPT for the G to B strings which is a major third. It's pretty weird.
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Old 03-13-2013, 07:16 PM   #10
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Why does it sound all ****ed up now?
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Old 03-13-2013, 07:18 PM   #11
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Why does it sound all ****ed up now?


you probably fucked up your intonation by changing the string tension (when you adjusted the action) without compensating at the saddle
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Old 03-13-2013, 07:28 PM   #12
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it sounds to low or something. What should I do to fix it
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Old 03-13-2013, 07:37 PM   #13
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it sounds to low or something. What should I do to fix it
Do you own any kind of electronic tuning device?

On the outside change that you can actually screw intonation up by simply tuning to drop D, start saving for a guitar with one of these necks:

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Old 03-13-2013, 07:38 PM   #14
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Are you still in Drop D? If so are you sure you're playing the correct notes for the scale? Did you check your tuning? Did you check the tuning of fretted notes? As has been mentioned some guitars do have poor intonation, meaning that certain notes sound out of tune compared to others.
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Old 03-13-2013, 07:44 PM   #15
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Yeah still in drop d. I have an electric tuner. Its never done this before.
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Old 03-13-2013, 07:53 PM   #16
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Yeah still in drop d. I have an electric tuner. Its never done this before.
Well, does the G sting say it's playing a C, when you fret it at the 5th fret?

First tune the G -3 to true pitch

If the C shows up as flat,he only thing I can envision going on here is the guitar is strung incorrectly, or the tuner mechanism is slipping.

I doubt tuning the E-6 down 2 half steps, is enough change in overall neck tension off enough to throw the guitar's intonation off across the board. But, who knows.
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Old 03-13-2013, 08:33 PM   #17
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I don't mean to be rude, but you're playing a cheap guitar, you've raised the action when you're clearly inexperienced, and you're surprised that everything's gone wrong? Basically, your intonation is buggered, take it to a professional and pray that the damage isn't too bad. If you have truly buggered your guitar, you may have to write it off, let this be a lesson for the future.
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hen you're clearly inexperienced, and you're surprised that everything's gone wrong? Basically, your intonation is buggered, take it to a professional and pray that the damage isn't too bad.
All pontification and condescension aside, when the action of a guitar is raised, fretted strings begin to sound SHARP of expected pitch, not FLAT.

With that said, any Les Paul, including the Epi, has a TOM bridge, along with adjustable string saddles. Let's make the assumption TS hasn't trashed the neck by some bizarre over-adjustment of the truss rod.

You would spin the TOM height adjusting screws back down to where they were, and all should be peaceful in happy valley once again.

As for the Epi Les Paul being "a cheap guitar", always remember you can make great music on an inexpensive instrument, and lousy music on a high priced one.
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Old 03-14-2013, 05:41 AM   #19
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Holy shit whatsup with this neck? What is this for and what are they called? Looks interesting.
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Holy shit whatsup with this neck? What is this for and what are they called? Looks interesting.


It's called "True Temperament" & it's supposed to be the way to properly fret a guitar so that it is correctly intonated. Without getting to technical, straight frets are applied by using a mathematical formula based wholly on a guitar's scale length. In practice however there are other factors that affect intonation like string diameter & tension which makes the location of each fret different. This fretboard is supposed to correct for those other various things.

If you're interested check out their FAQ. http://www.truetemperament.com/site....php?go=4&sgo=0
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