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Old 03-12-2013, 11:14 PM   #1
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Critique my tone please. New amp.

Got a Vox valvetronix to replace my line 6 spider. Been trying to come up with some decent sounds on it.

1st one is heavily distorted black metal type, second is more rock, third is clean, (feels like the clean is lacking something but i don't know what)

What does it need? What do you like/dislike about it?

Unfortunately the mic i'm using isn't the greatest but i did the best i could to get the best sound and it's relatively accurate.

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Old 03-12-2013, 11:24 PM   #2
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im sorry dude, its a big fuzzy mess. listened for 5 seconds and pulled out the ear buds.

i dont think anybody is going to give you tone advice when no tone can be heard...
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Old 03-12-2013, 11:50 PM   #3
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Very fizzy and frankly not very good I blame the Mic tbh. What exactly are you recording with?
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Old 03-12-2013, 11:50 PM   #4
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Well, the clean was nice, just needs a little reverb and it will be OK.

The first one (black metal sound, I'm guessing) sounded like you were playing it in a blizzard. I heard white noise with a guitar buried somewhere behind it. Either the mic just couldn't handle the sound, or it really is that bad. Not trying to be hateful, just honest.

The second tone was better than the first, with a lot less white noise. I think it would be passable if you rolled off the gain a bit more and made it a little less, for lack of a better term, brootal. Didn't help that you were playing down tuned power chords. Again, this could also be the mic causing the issue with the muddiness and fizzy, grainy sound.
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Old 03-13-2013, 12:35 AM   #5
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Nice cover of "Withstand the Fall of Time."

However, you're using more gain than is needed to get that tone, and it sounds like you're scooping your mids too much. (I play lots of Immortal, and indeed, you need to scoop your mids a bit, but not that much.)

As for recording, I'm no expert, but it sounds like your mic might be pointed directly at the speaker cone. By moving it away from the center of the cone, you get a warmer sound that cuts some of the harsh highs. An EQ pedal would also help you cut some of those nasty highs.
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Old 03-13-2013, 12:38 AM   #6
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yes, the mic is crap lol. its a cheapo behringer condenser mic. to say the black metal tone sounds like im playing in a blizzard is telling me i've got that right haha. white noise is a cable problem, broke my shielded cable and this one picks up a lot of noise, waiting on another to ship. i'll look into the suggestions. thanks.
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Old 03-13-2013, 01:07 AM   #7
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Maybe it's just the mic but the sound at the start is probably the worst tone I've heard in my life
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Old 03-13-2013, 03:41 AM   #8
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Well those mics aren't bad, my guitarist has two and they actuelly sound pretty good.
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Old 03-13-2013, 03:53 AM   #9
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sounds like garbage to me.
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Old 03-13-2013, 04:25 AM   #10
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to say the black metal tone sounds like im playing in a blizzard is telling me i've got that right haha.

This is one thing i don't understand about black metal guys, why do they purposely go for shit tone?
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Old 03-13-2013, 04:38 AM   #11
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^It's black metal.

TS, loose some gain. You really only need enough to get that bit of saturation crunch going on, any more and you're just getting lost in the fizzle.

Then wash it in reverb :p

This is coming from a guy that was just listening to Weakling.

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Old 03-13-2013, 04:49 AM   #12
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Old 03-13-2013, 08:09 AM   #13
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This is one thing i don't understand about black metal guys, why do they purposely go for shit tone?


It's more about how the tone helps convey a mood. Early 90s black metal was all about putting out the harshest possible package one could imagine.

However, later black metal had much, much better tone. The last 3 Immortal albums have had pretty good (and sort of unique) tone, in my opinion. Same with later Emperor, Enslaved, etc. Darkthrone still uses the shittiest tone possible, however.
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Old 03-13-2013, 08:30 AM   #14
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to say the black metal tone sounds like im playing in a blizzard is telling me i've got that right haha.

Really? You do realize he means he can barely hear what you're playing, right? If you just want a fuzzy mess with no definition why don't you just mic up an angle grinder and go to town on some steel? What's the point of playing guitar if it's completely indistinguishable what you're playing?

Back off the gain. People always think they need more gain than they do, largely because of the lack of a bassist when they play at home. A lot of what makes heavy music sound heavy comes from the bassist, not the guitarist.
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Old 03-13-2013, 11:13 AM   #15
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Thanks for the responses guys, i will back the gain off a bit.
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Old 03-13-2013, 11:53 AM   #16
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When I used to play in a metal band I rarely had my gain passed 5. That much plus a boost gives a pretty powerful sound.
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Old 03-13-2013, 03:47 PM   #17
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Hey guys, i messed with the settings a bit. I would like some opinions. Thanks.

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Old 03-13-2013, 05:12 PM   #18
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Really weird distortion sound... Kind of muddy but kind of twangy at the same time. Really weird. And pretty harsh. Could work for something but yeah, I'm really not a fan of that sound.

So what kind of Valvetronix amp is that?

I'm really not a fan of the Vlavetronix VT30 amp I have tried. Some tones are incredibly bassy and muddy and it just sounds a bit fake and it really doesn't clean up when I turn my guitar volume down, unless my guitar volume is very low. Maybe some of the amp models just aren't that great. And I'm really not a fan of modeling amps. Though I liked the AC30 amp model for a bit lighter stuff. It worked pretty well. But the higher gain sounds are a bit meh IMO. Though it's an "older generation" VT amp, they may have improved them.
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The VT series has always been geared towards cleans to mid-gain, hasn't it?
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Old 03-13-2013, 06:53 PM   #20
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Hey guys, i messed with the settings a bit. I would like some opinions. Thanks.

https://soundcloud.com/antisun2/tone2


sorry but still an overdistorted mess. even the clean section didn't sound that good. recording can be tough and learning that you need way less distortion than you think to get a recorded sound sometimes takes a bit.
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