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Old 03-13-2013, 04:21 PM   #1
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First post :) - What is missing from my rig to get Saturated Lead Sustain tone?

Helllloooo!

So, my chain is:

Ibanez JS1200 > TC Electronic C300 Compressor > MXR Custom Badass '78 Distortion > Hughes & Kettner Tubemeister 18 Head > TC Electronic G Sharp (in FX Loop) > Redbox out silent recording into > Tascam US122MkII > PC with Cubase

I recently recorded and mixed the track called "Footsteps in the Snow" which you might be able to listen to here: Footsteps in the Snow

http: // profile.ultimate-guitar.com/fastonebaz/skills/play1176637

I thought that by getting the pretty decent kit it would be enough to get me a juicy sustained saturated lead sound that I have gotten easily in the past with effects pedal units like the Boss GT10, Zoom MRS1608 but sadly I'm not getting it yet.

Can anyone offer me any insight on what else I can put in my chain to get more of what I'm looking for?

Think guitar solos from any WASP/POISON/HELLOWEEN album...

Thanks all :-)

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Old 03-14-2013, 04:19 AM   #2
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Ditch the cabinet emulation on the Redbox, try using software like LeCab with Redqirez impulses, or Signals Audio 'God's Cab'.

I know Satch uses the Redbox to great effect, and it does do rather nice cab sounds, but no harm in giving yourself more flexibility. The cab sound is easily the most crucial part of getting a good recorded tone.
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Old 03-16-2013, 06:59 AM   #3
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Thanks but I am hoping to "perfect" my live tone and then capture that using DI on my PC somehow rather than using IRs etc. :-)
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Old 03-16-2013, 08:44 AM   #4
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Don't knock it until you're tried it. Live and studio tones are very different beasts, don't compromise one for the other.

by the way, the tones on that recording you linked to are muddy and harsh with way too much going on in the lower mids.
You seem to have a good grasp of mixing, so perhaps it's a monitoring problem?
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Old 03-16-2013, 03:29 PM   #5
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I think you should keep in mind that the part after the DI box is as important as or more important as the part before, because once you are able to hear what you want to hear, you have to produce a track that still sounds the way you want it. I too think that you should get some cool impulse responses or cab simulators until you find the right one, since what you wanna achieve cannot be achieved without a GOOD cab simulator. If that doesn't work your only other option to get a really sweet tone is getting cab, mics and preamps and do it the classic way.
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Old 03-20-2013, 05:09 PM   #6
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Thanks for the positive words on mixing, I'm not amazing at it but try to get the various tracks balanced out for a reasonable sound. Its just my tone.

So, IRs. Whilst I'm fairly confident with Cubase and eZDrummer, I'm a complete noob with IRs. Can you give me any tips on how to get them and use them in Cubase?

Thanks alot
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Old 03-20-2013, 06:07 PM   #7
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hold that. worked out how to get Poulin LeCab as a plugin into Cubase and got Red Wire IRs free Marshall pack and wow... what a difference. Bypassed, the recording is kind of dull, liked the speaker is muffled by a blanket, take the bypass off and choose any of the marshall IRs and its loud, bright, airy, oooh its magnificant. Its the same tone as my amp pretty much just kind of unlocked and breathing properly with loads of headroom but from inside my DAW via DI. Splendid. Simply splendid.

Only thing is I can seem to monitor the wet sound during recording but maybe with time I can get that? only too me 40mins to start using IRs from no knowledge so maybe I'll get there.

thanks guys.
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Result! Be sure to post some clips when you've done some tunes with impulses.
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Old 03-21-2013, 04:27 PM   #10
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