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Old 03-18-2013, 02:46 AM   #21
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what i ask is why two digital? an analog delay and a digital would be better than two digital delays. much more utilitarianism. but most certainly, HNGD!




If you ask, "why two delays???"
Both were highly rated in the under $140 group of delays, and the prices
on these were extremely attractive to get both and "hear for myself"
Now get a chance to A-B them with my amps, then decide. Toppscore
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Old 03-18-2013, 02:47 AM   #22
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Old 03-18-2013, 02:51 AM   #23
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Grumpy Old One . . . .
Talk to MXR and a trillion other pedal products:

So using CAD/CAM software to design the PCB layout? Wtf isn't done that way? Nobody uses Bishop's Graphics any more. What exactly does "digitally designed" actually mean? They used a calculator instead of an abacus to calculate the bias points? What does it mean? Sounds like some marketing bs that you've fallen for to me. Digitally designed - give me a friggin break.
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Old 03-18-2013, 03:00 AM   #24
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+1

secondly who is telling you that those are the best in the $140 market? i would love to know. you could get something much better for that. hell payed $90ish for my malekko, which is still really cheap in the gear world. you could have found a carbon copy for that too. but then why would you want two analog delays? or maybe one of the top and something from TC.
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Old 03-18-2013, 03:46 AM   #25
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Grumpy Old One . . . .
Talk to MXR and a trillion other pedal products:

Tell me how many analog tubes in the following MXR?
Dunlop MXR M169 - Carbon Copy Analog Delay Guitar Effect Pedal
Tell me it without a circuit board and any "hi-tech" chips with
design to emulate "analog".

Maybe I am wrong, Grumps, but I'll bet the inside circuit board
has programmed chips/ICs. Doesn't sound toooooo analog to me.
What do you think?

riiiiiiight, so the presence of ICs means that it's not analog. so let's throw out all our classic analog pedals, such as the tubescreamer, rat, every bucket-brigade delay/chorus/flanger ever...do i need to keep going? i think you're high, and if so, please sell me some of your stash.
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Old 03-18-2013, 03:52 AM   #26
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this is now stupid.
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Old 03-18-2013, 03:56 AM   #27
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i honestly think he's confused 'analog' with 'all-tube'.
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Old 03-18-2013, 04:03 AM   #28
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Yet another thread by Toppscore where he asks for suggestions and then in two days or less buys a Boss pedal on eBay which no one suggested. Bravo!
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Old 03-18-2013, 04:12 AM   #29
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Yet another thread by Toppscore where he asks for suggestions and then in two days or less buys a Boss pedal on eBay which no one suggested. Bravo!

i just found that thread. holy hell my sides
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Old 03-18-2013, 04:54 AM   #30
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Toppscore: You are an asshat.


Your are what asshats generate
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Old 03-18-2013, 04:58 AM   #31
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So using CAD/CAM software to design the PCB layout? Wtf isn't done that way? Nobody uses Bishop's Graphics any more. What exactly does "digitally designed" actually mean? They used a calculator instead of an abacus to calculate the bias points? What does it mean? Sounds like some marketing bs that you've fallen for to me. Digitally designed - give me a friggin break.


Sounds like you've been snookered.
Tube Dude! Without the tube, whadda got? NOT real analog.
Just some fake marketing ploy you've invested in.
Get into tube, dude and enjoy a friggin break from digital.
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Old 03-18-2013, 05:01 AM   #32
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+1 secondly who is telling you that those are the best in the $140 market? i would love to know. you could get something much better for that. hell payed $90ish for my malekko, which is still really cheap in the gear world. you could have found a carbon copy for that too. but then why would you want two analog delays? or maybe one of the top and something from TC.


WTF? You must be Trashed Lost & F'd-up'd.
But, you do have an opinion.
Ohhh. An opinion??? Must be right

Malekko? . . . . . enough said
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Old 03-18-2013, 05:05 AM   #33
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riiiiiiight, so the presence of ICs means that it's not analog. so let's throw out all our classic analog pedals, such as the tubescreamer, rat, every bucket-brigade delay/chorus/flanger ever...do i need to keep going? i think you're high, and if so, please sell me some of your stash.
Exactly. There'd be more analogue chips in existence than digital most likely. They've certainly been around for a lot longer.
It's silly shit. So the circuit was emulated in Spice before it's prototyped? That'd be as close as you could get to "digitally designed" unless it was actually designed by a robot. And so what anyway? Circuit analysis by Spice is superior to an engineer with pen and paper how? Apart from saving time of course.
It's just some marketing catchphrase that seems to have caught on. Either it's analog, digital or hybrid. Wtf is digitally designed? Who gives a shit if they used a computer at some time in the design process? You may as well quote what the workers ate for breakfast for the difference it makes.
It's an absurd notion. But man, he has access to some extraordinary drugs.
You really shouldn't flaunt that sort of quality unless you brought enough for the whole class.
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Old 03-18-2013, 05:10 AM   #34
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riiiiiiight, so the presence of ICs means that it's not analog. so let's throw out all our classic analog pedals, such as the tubescreamer, rat, every bucket-brigade delay/chorus/flanger ever...do i need to keep going? i think you're high, and if so, please sell me some of your stash.



Yeeeeaaaaaahhhh. You got it right.
Tubes, Dude, is the analog of choice.
Grumpy has already ingested the stash.

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Modulation Edit, Delay Edit, Reverb Edit, Utility, Save, Exit, and Tap/Tuner,
blah blah blah. I'll take tube everyday.


Some digital delays sound great.
Some digital delays designed to emulate analog can be wonderful.
True Analog delays have a tone all their own.
Buy them all. Investigate. Form an opinion.
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i honestly think he's confused 'analog' with 'all-tube'.


Good thought, Naked.
All tube without ICs is true natural analog ~ without having to "try making" analog.
PCB's, ICs, digital design, software, create analog, call it analog, be close to true analog.
Seems like a couple of versions of analog.
Seems like the tube analog products are generally much higher priced ~ wonder why?
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Yet another thread by Toppscore where he asks for suggestions and then in two days or less buys a Boss pedal on eBay which no one suggested. Bravo!



Gee Sputnik1. Gotta be your criteria or the highway?
Decided to hold off on tube analog tremolos
and purchase quality (and highly Ultimate Guitar Reviewed)
lower priced Boss TR-2 Tremolo.

Anybody got a problem with a Boss TR-2 Tremolo ~ brand new for $79.00 total?

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Old 03-18-2013, 05:33 AM   #38
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Anyway. Thread over and not too soon.
Bought a Boss TR-2 Tremolo ~ life changes.
Will get a more expensive tremolo next round.
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Good thought, Naked.
All tube without ICs is true natural analog ~ without having to "try making" analog.
PCB's, ICs, digital design, software, create analog, call it analog, be close to true analog.
Seems like a couple of versions of analog.

false. analog = continuous values. digital = discrete values. that's all. but you don't seem to understand that. maybe you could go onto freestompboxes and teach all the guys there a lesson in electronics, because they clearly don't know what they're on about.

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Seems like the tube analog products are generally much higher priced ~ wonder why?

in some cases, because the circuitry and design require more expensive parts. plus the tubes themselves cost extra. but in most cases, to separate fools and their money. fun fact - did you know that the tubes in the EHX wiggler are lit by LEDs underneath to give the illusion of glowing tubes?
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Gee Sputnik1. Gotta be your criteria or the highway?
Decided to hold off on tube analog tremolos
and purchase quality (and highly Ultimate Guitar Reviewed)
lower priced Boss TR-2 Tremolo.

Anybody got a problem with a Boss TR-2 Tremolo ~ brand new for $79.00 total?

Why create these threads if you aren't going to take anyone's advice? You know that the pedals you ask for will never be within your budget which you never specify. Why don't you save up your money and then ask for advice; not just take the first thing you can get on eBay. Even better, why don't you go to the music store and try out the pedals like most people do instead of copying and pasting online music store listings and asking us which one of these 12 pedals would be best for these 6 requirements. It would benefit you more in the long run than posting these silly threads.
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