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Old 03-26-2013, 08:52 PM   #1
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What's the difference in sound/tone between the Vypyr Tube and non-tube Vypyrs?

What is the sonic/tonal/quality difference between, say, the Peavey Vypyr Tube 60 and the Vypyr 75 (the 2 amps I'm looking at)?

I'm not very experienced with tube amps, but the Vypyr Tube amps have tubes in the post-gain section, correct? What exactly does this do for the sound compared to the non-tube counterparts?

I've tried the Vypyr 75 in a store recently and it sounds pretty good to my ears, and have tried the Tube 60 and Tube 120 in a store also (though almost a year ago so I can't make a proper comparison). The main difference I noted is that the Vypyr 75 has more bass at lower/bedroom volumes...am I right here?

I just want to know, essentially, if the significantly extra money for the Vypyr Tube 60 over the Vypyr 75 would be worth it, and what sonic/tonal benefits would I get for the extra $$?

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Old 03-26-2013, 09:02 PM   #2
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its def worth it. vypyr tube the best budget tube amp in the world. watch some videos on youtube.
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Old 03-26-2013, 09:26 PM   #3
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YouTube videos can't tell you anything. Even when you know how the audio was recorded (and you rarely do) the sound gets recorded, processed, compressed, mixed with the video, compressed again, uploaded, compressed again, streamed to you and played out through whatever computer speakers or headphones you have. It renders sound clips utterly useless.

As for the subject, there's only much of a difference when turning the amp up loud. Even then, it's minimal. When you make a jump from a truly shit amp like a Spider IV to its valve big brother, you notice a huge rise in quality. With the Vypyrs, the regular one already sounds a little better and the valve version isn't such a huge leap.

Is it better? Yes, for most people. Is it a gigantic improvement? No. Is it worth the jump in price point? Depends what you need and what you value.
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Old 03-26-2013, 09:31 PM   #4
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I think that the Tube has a much warmer midrange, especially once you start playing it at louder volumes.

Turned down, I wouldn't say the difference is super significant, and depending on the volume I doubt you would here one, but I haven't done the extensive testing to definitely say that.
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Old 03-26-2013, 09:49 PM   #5
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If you are doing more than playing with yourself in your bedroom, buy the Tube.
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Old 03-26-2013, 09:52 PM   #6
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If you are doing more than playing with yourself in your bedroom, buy the Tube.



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Old 03-26-2013, 10:44 PM   #7
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I think that the Tube has a much warmer midrange, especially once you start playing it at louder volumes.

Turned down, I wouldn't say the difference is super significant, and depending on the volume I doubt you would here one, but I haven't done the extensive testing to definitely say that.

This.

I find the regular Vypyrs a bit shrill but still great for what they are. I waited a year for the tube Vypyrs to come out and thought the tube power section made a big difference. Warmed that amp right up. At higher volumes it may seem a bit looser to some or saggier but I personally like that kind of ebb and flow. Even with that the Diezel model is tight as **** and the Recto model is even tighter. That and the fact that the tubed Vypyrs basically have 6505+ power section.

Therefore, I do not consider it a minimal change. I bought my Vypyr 60 for $315 used at Guitar Center and I've seen them as low as $250. They sound good at low volumes too. Call me full of shit - I don't care.
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Old 03-27-2013, 02:16 AM   #8
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311, you are so full of shit.



Seriously though, they're both very good. I would say the 60 is better to my own ears but if someone said they sound different instead of one being better, I wouldn't argue. The Vypyrs are pretty F'n awesome. It's a shame they didn't give them an FX loop because then they'd be WTFPWN.
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Old 03-27-2013, 02:18 AM   #9
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If you are doing more than playing with yourself in your bedroom, buy the Tube.


Why exactly is this? btw I plan on using it for both bedroom practice and jamming with a band.
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I also want to get a few pedals, like a Zvex Fuzz Factory and a Big Muff Fuzz (along with using the various delays and reverbs on my multi-effects processor), maybe even an EQ pedal to push the bass more on the Vypyr. Would the Vypyr's handle these effects well given there is no effects-loop?
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The Vyper Tube has a 6505 power amp. If you are in a band that is well worth it's weight in yak fat. At drummer levels it's chalk and cheese.
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If you are in a band that is well worth it's weight in yak fat. At drummer levels it's chalk and cheese.


No idea what you're saying here, LOL.
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Old 03-27-2013, 02:32 AM   #13
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At drummer volumes the Vyper Tube 60 will sound massively better than a Vyper 75.
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Old 03-27-2013, 02:32 AM   #14
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The Vyper Tube has a 6505 power amp. If you are in a band that is well worth it's weight in yak fat. At drummer levels it's chalk and cheese.


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I also want to get a few pedals, like a Zvex Fuzz Factory and a Big Muff Fuzz (along with using the various delays and reverbs on my multi-effects processor), maybe even an EQ pedal to push the bass more on the Vypyr. Would the Vypyr's handle these effects well given there is no effects-loop?

I think the Vypyr handles pedal very well up in front of the amp if you ask me. I did a little demo with a delay/phaser/wah in my profile.
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At drummer volumes the Vyper Tube 60 will sound massively better than a Vyper 75.


Why? Is this in your personal experience? Or are you guessing?
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Old 03-27-2013, 03:34 AM   #17
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One is an oversized practice amp and the other is the power amp out of the 6505. Isn't it obvious?
I have heard them but really, I didn't have to - the Tube has a 6505 power amp. Do the math.
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Because competing with a drummer with a 75W solid state is like pissing in the ocean. With the tube you actually will hear yourself, as will the rest if the band
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Because competing with a drummer with a 75W solid state is like pissing in the ocean. With the tube you actually will hear yourself, as will the rest if the band


What about the 2x12, 100 watt solid-state Vypyr?
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Old 03-27-2013, 12:07 PM   #20
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What about the 2x12, 100 watt solid-state Vypyr?


Let's simplify this.

Do what you want.

You've been given advice, it's up to you to either follow or ignore it.
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