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Old 03-27-2013, 08:16 PM   #41
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I use that method for sustain all the time. I'd be lost without it. And no, a feedback effect just isn't the same. By changing the angle between guitar and speakers you can alter the feedback in real time in a very dynamic manner, a pedal/plugin can't do that.
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Old 03-27-2013, 08:17 PM   #42
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I'd imagine eventually modeling technology will be able to bring the same sounds as a tube amp. Who knows when though.
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Old 03-27-2013, 08:19 PM   #43
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I use that method for sustain all the time. I'd be lost without it. And no, a feedback effect just isn't the same. By changing the angle between guitar and speakers you can alter the feedback in real time in a very dynamic manner, a pedal/plugin can't do that.

Modelling amps can but that's still an amp, a plugin certainly can't do that but most dirt pedals can force it when maxed out into a loud enough amp. That's not a replication though that's the pedal's gain and volume enticing the amp into it.
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Yeah, to do it properly you need lots of volume. So even if you were using a modeller for your preamp you'd still need a big power amp and a wall of speakers. May as well just use a real amp.
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Old 03-27-2013, 08:23 PM   #45
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ABSOLUTELY!! When I can that is...when the house is empty, I'm knockin pictures off the walls! If I'm playing quieter, I'll run my Line 6 head (just for FX) into an old tube powered 1969 Fanon-Masco 35w head. I couldn't play and has as much fun without sound pressure/sustain. That was one of the things that intrigued me as a kid....
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I use that method for sustain all the time. I'd be lost without it. And no, a feedback effect just isn't the same. By changing the angle between guitar and speakers you can alter the feedback in real time in a very dynamic manner, a pedal/plugin can't do that.


Yeah. I've heard a lot of cheesy feedback effects that just crack me up.
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Old 03-27-2013, 08:26 PM   #47
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Old 03-27-2013, 08:30 PM   #48
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Modelling amps can but that's still an amp, a plugin certainly can't do that but most dirt pedals can force it when maxed out into a loud enough amp. That's not a replication though that's the pedal's gain and volume enticing the amp into it.


I've got to say for the record, with these plugin programs like Guitar Rig and Amplitube, they might be useful in the studio for some people but, anytime I use them, I NEVER hear THAT much of a difference between guitars. All guitars tend to sound practically the same. That always used to piss me off and destroy a sacred sector of my love and passion for guitar tone....that and the latency. There was always latency that I could never get rid of. I didn't have the greatest computer either but still. There was always a slight delay....
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I'm so glad you just mentioned Gary Moore.... He's such an underrated guitarist. Of course, now he's getting more recognition now that he's dead
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Old 03-27-2013, 08:37 PM   #51
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I'd imagine eventually modeling technology will be able to bring the same sounds as a tube amp. Who knows when though.


I own Axe FX and reality is, with tweaking, it does! Im so close to having my 5150 sound dialled into the axefx its not funny. 99% of people would be hard pressed to tell the difference on a blind test
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Old 03-27-2013, 08:39 PM   #52
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Yeah, to do it properly you need lots of volume. So even if you were using a modeller for your preamp you'd still need a big power amp and a wall of speakers. May as well just use a real amp.

No you don't, I can make my little 1-watt 2-inch speaker SS dano honeytone feedback. It's a slightly different feedback but it does and my 5 watt tuber can do it, but santana/gary moore sustained notes are a different thing. I think what you meant earlier was more about sustain than feedback. Yeah, in fact I believe you were talking about sustain though sound presure, basically what an ebow is supposed to replicate so never mind your comment is right you do need a lot of speakers and wattage going for that.

Basically, just forget this post.
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I own Axe FX and reality is, with tweaking, it does! Im so close to having my 5150 sound dialled into the axefx its not funny. 99% of people would be hard pressed to tell the difference on a blind test


I DO have to agree. I'm always skeptical about emulations and mods (or whatever the hell you want to call it )but the Axe Fx (1 or 2) is absolutely, hands down, the most impressive on the market. It has become, truly, and industry standard. People say it's complicated, which it is but, it's only as difficult/complicated as you want to make it. So it still for the most part, leaves you a choice.

The only thing that's a bitch-and-a-half is coughing up the money for the floorboard controller. Waaaaay too overpriced.
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That type of sustain is done with feedback. It's all about volume. When Gary hit that note in Parisienne Walkways he kicked in another 100W halfstack. I do it the same way except I use a 100W 2x12 combo. You can't get the same sort of interaction with a pedal. You can get something similar but it is a pale imitation. Some of us want the real thing.


Edit. Just read your edit.
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No you don't, I can make my little 1-watt 2-inch speaker SS dano honeytone feedback. It's a slightly different feedback but it does and my 5 watt tuber can do it, but santana/gary moore sustained notes are a different thing. I think what you meant earlier was more about sustain than feedback. Yeah, in fact I believe you were talking about sustain though sound presure, basically what an ebow is supposed to replicate so never mind your comment is right you do need a lot of speakers and wattage going for that.

Basically, just forget this post.


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I DO have to agree. I'm always skeptical about emulations and mods (or whatever the hell you want to call it )but the Axe Fx (1 or 2) is absolutely, hands down, the most impressive on the market. It has become, truly, and industry standard. People say it's complicated, which it is but, it's only as difficult/complicated as you want to make it. So it still for the most part, leaves you a choice.

The only thing that's a bitch-and-a-half is coughing up the money for the floorboard controller. Waaaaay too overpriced.



The problem with most people is that they are impatient. I hear people bash the axefx saying it sounds shit, or they cant acheive the sound they want etc etc but generally when u ask them, they pull it out of the box, flip through the factory presets, plug it into a shitty amp without making changes to global settings ie-turning of cab sims and then complain that it sounds terrible.

I own tube amps, and i love them. Im not gonna sell them because i got axe fx tho. It just makes more sense that i can travel and have unlimited sounds and effect on tap without the extra effort of taking 5 different amps and 10 different pedals.
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Old 03-27-2013, 08:55 PM   #57
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No. I'm talkin' about this.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/fractal-aud...=item19da8cc82f

But yeah, you're 100% right. Most of the people that complain are in over their heads right from the get-go. I think every review of the thing, down to Steve Vai and Dweezil Zappa, said the thing requires attention and patience. Much like a woman.
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No. I'm talkin' about this.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/fractal-aud...=item19da8cc82f

But yeah, you're 100% right. Most of the people that complain are in over their heads right from the get-go. I think every review of the thing, down to Steve Vai and Dweezil Zappa, said the thing requires attention and patience. Much like a woman.



This i dont really understand...... In Australia, i can buy a brand new MFC101 for $999
Even given the AUD is stronger than the USD, we still pay way over the top prices for everything
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This i dont really understand...... In Australia, i can buy a brand new MFC101 for $999
Even given the AUD is stronger than the USD, we still pay way over the top prices for everything


Wow that is strange. I wonder why that is....
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