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Old 04-03-2013, 11:41 PM   #1
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Post-birth abortion

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Rep. Jose Oliva followed up, asking the Planned Parenthood official, "You stated that a baby born alive on a table as a result of a botched abortion that that decision should be left to the doctor and the family. Is that what you’re saying?”

Again, Snow replied, “That decision should be between the patient and the health care provider.”


Planned Parenthood representative says it's up to the woman and health care provider to decide whether or not to abort a baby that has been born.

So are you in favor of post-birth abortions?
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Old 04-03-2013, 11:42 PM   #2
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Old 04-03-2013, 11:43 PM   #3
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Isn't that murder? Ending the life of a baby that has been born?
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Old 04-03-2013, 11:44 PM   #4
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Idc about abortion, but that's just gross.
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Old 04-03-2013, 11:44 PM   #5
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Aren't abortions supposed to be so early the baby is not capable of living on the outside? That's really shitty for that to happen
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Old 04-03-2013, 11:50 PM   #6
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Old 04-03-2013, 11:52 PM   #7
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I can't watch the video atm. Is this an abortion after full term or something? If so this is really stupid and forget the dead baby, it's a LOT more dangerous for the mother as well.
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Old 04-03-2013, 11:56 PM   #8
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And for me, this is one of the main reasons why I'm against abortion. It's possible to have botched abortions. That says a lot for me. The fact that an abortion can occur at a time when the child can end up alive once it's out... I don't see how someone can view a fetus as "just a pile of cells" if it can be literally seconds away from a breathing, crying creature.
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Old 04-03-2013, 11:57 PM   #9
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It's not an abortion after full-term. It's killing a fetus that has been removed from the body but still "lives", that is, has a beating heart, working nerves, all that jazz. So it could happen in any trimester.

That said, I can't wait to see how FOX news spins this. Planned Parenthood officials should know better than to say anything even remotely close to endorsing post-birth abortions, but she's not wrong in suggesting the principle of that being up to the mother and doctor. The sad thing is, if a fetus is pulled out before it's developed enough to be a baby, it's really best to just kill it. The life it'll lead as doctors struggle to keep it alive will be torture, at best.


Oh, boy, what a tough question. :\
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Old 04-04-2013, 12:03 AM   #10
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When's the cut off for abortion being not okay? Post-birth? A little bit before birth? Halfway through pregnancy?
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Old 04-04-2013, 12:05 AM   #11
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When's the cut off for abortion being not okay? Post-birth? A little bit before birth? Halfway through pregnancy?


Depends where you go, but generally speaking, the third trimester is hands-off. Most doctors who perform abortions won't do one past the second trimester.

Abortion is never "OK", really, but it depends on the moral scale you place it on.

If your concern is diminishing food supply to an ever-growing population, abortions are mad awesome.

If your concern is the principle of life not being in our hands, but rather God (or whatever it is), then abortion is bad all the time. Period.
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Old 04-04-2013, 12:10 AM   #12
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I used to be a lot more pro-choice than I am now. I still am, but regardless of ethical issues I think it should only be allowed in the first trimester/early second. Also I was premature by 3 months and im still here so it's just creepy for me to think about anything later haha
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Old 04-04-2013, 12:14 AM   #13
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that video wasnt going anywhere. i cant understand who is what side and what the sides are. i honestly have no idea what anyone is talking about, the girl is just being harassed for no apparent reason. if they are discussing if a supposed aborted baby gets born alive, whos decision is it to provide health care or termination, then i want to agree that it is a mutal decision by the family and physician. but i dont understand who is on what side.
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Old 04-04-2013, 12:17 AM   #15
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I can't watch the video atm. Is this an abortion after full term or something? If so this is really stupid and forget the dead baby, it's a LOT more dangerous for the mother as well.

I think they're talking about the doctor botching the abortion, so that the baby lives (and, in the practical sense, is essentially forced to be born prematurely).
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Old 04-04-2013, 12:21 AM   #16
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I think they're talking about the doctor botching the abortion, so that the baby lives (and, in the practical sense, is essentially forced to be born prematurely).


You sure? I saw it the other way around. An extremely premature baby is aborted, but after being removed from the uterus they find it's still alive. So at that point they either decide to try to save it or continue the task at hand which is to terminate it.
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Old 04-04-2013, 12:36 AM   #17
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I'm in favor of a post-birth abortion of TS.

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So if I'm against post-birth abortion, does that make me for abortion abortions?

Meh, I think, like guitarxo made the point, if a fetus is at a point where it is able to survive outside the uterus, it should not be aborted in the first place. Otherwise, SMASH IT WITH A HAMMER!
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Old 04-04-2013, 12:38 AM   #18
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I'm in favor of a post-birth abortion of TS.

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So if I'm against post-birth abortion, does that make me for abortion abortions?

Meh, I think, like guitarxo made the point, if a fetus is at a point where it is able to survive outside the uterus, it should not be aborted in the first place. Otherwise, SMASH IT WITH A HAMMER!


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Old 04-04-2013, 12:41 AM   #19
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Cruel and unusual to keep it alive at that point. Either abort or don't; just be committed to whichever option you choose.
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Old 04-04-2013, 12:44 AM   #20
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doesnt matter, post-birth, pre-birth. they're both fine.
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